BLM and Police officers would have common ground if they'd just talk to each other (racist, Chicago)
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Not sure I saw this addressed, but many states have found the use of speed and red-light cameras to be violations of due process of law. Your idea of sending tickets based on license plates would very definitely violate due process of law: the car owner would merely have to refuse to say they were the driver (and the 5th amendment would prevent them from being compelled to give up themselves as the driver), and the ticket would have to be dropped for lack of proof of the identity of the driver.
I'm not in favor of these speed and red-light cameras, and never have been. But, I did get caught in one a couple of years ago (speed camera), and I don't see how it could be questioned in terms of identification. I was clearly visible and it would have had to have been someone imitating me if it wasn't me.
What I thought was sort of"crooked" about it was that the letter I got for the violation stated very clearly that if I declined to protest the ticket and simply paid the fine by mail, then it would not be reported to the DVM and there would be no mark on my license.
That's not what the poll said. It said "underperforming officers". How police in the U.S. view their jobs: Key findings | Pew Research Center
This is almost certainly true, as public sector employees have due process rights to continued employment under the 14th amendment. Quite simply, this means you cannot just fire someone for underperforming. You must follow due process of law and build a defensible case against them that shows a consistent pattern of multiple incidents.
Though, this is also the reason that most cops that are fired are fired based on the actions and inputs of other cops.
One huge problem with an external investigation is that the officer has a 5th amendment right not to participate. This will almost immediately end most investigations. An officer has no such right with an internal investigation. They must participate and must answer questions and cannot invoke the 5th amendment. If they refuse, they can be fired. If the investigation is an internal investigation, they cannot be fired nor even punished for refusing to answer questions or otherwise participate. The 14th amendment rights available to the officer also complicates external investigations (e.g. the officer can file an EEOC suit against the external investigator just for investigating, something they cannot do against an internal affairs investigation, though that causes problems of using internal affairs to harass minority officers).
Thats completely suspicious that internally they have no 5th amendment right, but externally they do.
The 5th amendment rights for anyone who is sworn in as an authority needs to be taken away. Theres no reason for someone in that position to refuse to participate unless they have something to hide, which they usually do. Theres people changing reports, incrimination, the external investigation would go much faster if they were forced to talk.
My advice to blacks, or any others, don't commit crimes, don't run from the police, and don't carry/flash a firearm, or especially at, a police officer. If you follow these suggestions there is a pretty chance you won't be shot.
Common sense seems to elude so many people in our country. Stay in school at least until completing high school. Don't get married unless you can afford to get married. Don't have children if you can't afford to have children. Don't break laws and never fight or argue with a police officer.
I blew your previous comment about the "fake" news out of the water and you failed to respond. Your opinion is basically worthless at this point.
LOL! One fake-news source on top of another? That's not really much ammunition there! Bottom line is that your posts cast you as an unrepentant LE apologist. As such, the bulk of your posts are simply not worth responding to.
LOL! One fake-news source on top of another? That's not really much ammunition there! Bottom line is that your posts cast you as an unrepentant LE apologist. As such, the bulk of your posts are simply not worth responding to.
I couldn't care less about that website as I've never seen it before until the article I posted. But the article was accurate and you were dead wrong.
LE apologist? Hardly. Yes, my career has been in LE and I consider myself an SME on policy/procedures as they relate to Use of Force. But one thing I've done over the years is make it clear I do not support dirty/corrupt cops but many here, you included, have no idea anything about the real life in LE. You're too willing to jump to conclusions based on a slanted media and you're unwilling to take the time to learn. If there is one near you why don't you look into a Citizen's Police Academy? Bet you won't. But I won't call cops dirty, or whatever, based on their actions involving the use of deadly force unless there is clear and convincing evidence to the contrary. Even then the terminology used by many is often wrong. A short grainy video usually is not clear evidence and without understanding that the video must be viewed through the eyes of the police officer then I can never expect you to keep an open mind.
There was an article out a few years ago where a guy, in another state, was arrested on something pretty serious such as sexual assault against a child I believe. The headline was something like; Former Police Officer indicted on blah blah blah. I read the article and the 60 something year old man was a police officer for a very short time back in his early 20's and was fired by the department. But the media saw the chance to sell more papers and maligned LE with that headline.
I couldn't care less about that website as I've never seen it before until the article I posted. But the article was accurate and you were dead wrong.
LE apologist? Hardly. Yes, my career has been in LE and I consider myself an SME on policy/procedures as they relate to Use of Force. But one thing I've done over the years is make it clear I do not support dirty/corrupt cops but many here, you included, have no idea anything about the real life in LE. You're too willing to jump to conclusions based on a slanted media and you're unwilling to take the time to learn. If there is one near you why don't you look into a Citizen's Police Academy? Bet you won't. But I won't call cops dirty, or whatever, based on their actions involving the use of deadly force unless there is clear and convincing evidence to the contrary. Even then the terminology used by many is often wrong. A short grainy video usually is not clear evidence and without understanding that the video must be viewed through the eyes of the police officer then I can never expect you to keep an open mind.
There was an article out a few years ago where a guy, in another state, was arrested on something pretty serious such as sexual assault against a child I believe. The headline was something like; Former Police Officer indicted on blah blah blah. I read the article and the 60 something year old man was a police officer for a very short time back in his early 20's and was fired by the department. But the media saw the chance to sell more papers and maligned LE with that headline.
Why must the video be viewed through the eyes of a police officer? What about viewing such a video from a neutral standpoint?
Did you used to have a different screen name on this forum?
What bothers me about this whole conversation about Police Brutality/BLM is that really the only way that this issue is ever going to be resolved is by Black leaders directly engaging police departments. No amount of kneeling at NFL games, protesting or media play is going to save any one life more than getting down to the issue at hand in regards to police policy. Which leads me to my main point:
Many fatal shootings involving police officers could be entirely avoided if we really re-evaluated the ways we train officers/direct departments to engage civilians. Take traffic stops for example: Do we really need here in 2017 to have officers doing this? This is a waste of resources. First off, traffic stops are extremely dangerous for officers, leading to a highly charged situation to begin with. Second, with the speed camera/red-light camera technology out there we shouldn't have officers pulling over people for those things. Third, if it's things like broken taillights or improper driving that is at issue, then use the dashboard camera to photograph/flim the offending vehicle (and their license plate of course) and send the ticket to the offending address.
Another is dealing with youths. Rather than having officers be the first to respond to rowdy youth, instead we need to work with community leadership to have respected adults in the neighborhood work to de-escalate situations and try to help young people build problem solving skills rather than act out.
I have other ideas, but my main point is we need to stop automatically villifiying both police officers as well as BLM because really both groups need to work together to solve issues.
No. BLM needs to encourage the black community to produce more black law enforcement. More black police officers and only black police officers patrolling black neighborhoods hat is really the only solution.
As long as blacks keep using the race card and accusing whites of being white supremacists, there is no way that blacks will stop having issues with white police officers and viewing them as "the white boss man" keeping them down.
As I have suggested before, since Colin Kaepernick is not signed with any NFL team this year, let him lead by example and he should enter a police academy, become a police officer and go patrol in a black urban neighborhood and see how that goes for him. And he should encourage other blacks to join him. Bam!! Big problem solved right there.
I'd also like to see some white liberals also walk a mile in a police officers shoes in a black urban neighborhood.
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