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Fine. How about the police ask to start meetings with the NAACP. They're not an aggressive group.
Why meet with the NAACP? If they aren't the group that is having the issues it would serve no purpose. What would work better is for a group of people (instead of protesting) to set up a meeting with the police department in their area.
This very thing has just been established here by a local group (there was a meeting from 7am-8:30am this morning). The group approached the city police chief with the idea, and he agreed to it. It is called "Coffee with Cops" where the general public can come to a local restaurant and have coffee with officers. It's an open forum where the public can ask questions and hold discussions with local law enforcement to make sure there is an open line of communication.
It has worked very well so far and there has yet to be one act of violence or even a raised voice. It's a nice chance to realize that police officers are also human beings just like us.
People getting to know cops is one good way to work on the situation. But this isnt a situation that only affects black people, this affects everyone.
In general the justice system works against anyone that isnt already part of the local government. The system is not designed to work with people that were run through the system in error.
The solution is to go above the police departments, and work with the city councils, replace prosecutors and D.A.s that are complicit in protocol failures and coverups, which is a regular occurrence when a cop shoots someone in error.
City councils need to be forced put their foot down with their departments to ensure bad attitudes and practices are eliminated, ensuring the cops work with the people and not against them. More supervision, replace chiefs, whatever needs to be done.
In general, most of the shootings that occur are completely unnecessary, and the laws in place have to be more stringent in terms of engaging unarmed citizens. Any cop that is worth his salt would and have agreed that unless they had a gun pointed at them they didnt need to fire theirs. Any cop that disagrees is looking for job protection from his local government.
First thing to do, create a national law that prohibits any LEA and local government from investigating themselves, including prosecutors and D.A.s. This is an insane practice that has been fooling people into thinking the police are always honest and gather all the "facts". Outside investigations only.
Need national laws prohibiting prosecutors and D.A.s that work with a specific LEA from working on their own departments court cases. When they have a hand in it, they change the reports, statements, and only use evidence using loopholes in laws that depicts the LEA as innocent, then overcharges knowing the jury cant convict, then instructs the jury to use a ruling that ensures they cant convict. Its egregious manipulation of the laws to keep their standing with said LEA. If they convict a cop, the rest of the department stops cooperating with this prosecutor, he loses LEO witness testimony, loses cases, and cant move up the political ladder.
Overturn/rescind Connor vs Graham. This law is what prosecutors use to instruct the jury that they cant use hindsight to judge an officers actions, and is widely used to prevent juries from convicting. Hopefully if laws are passed to prevent local prosecutors from presiding over their own, it wont need to go this far.
Eliminate the freedom of local municipalities engaging in contracts with private prisons, encouraging mass incarceration, mass arrests quotas.
At some point local departments. city councils need to hold town halls with the communities stating that they have curbed bad behaviors from the local government, and the same needs to be done within the community for mutual support. Citizens need to do their part in maintaining a good rapport with the police, as they are a product of the community. If people continue to treat police badly, the police cant get better.
Why meet with the NAACP? If they aren't the group that is having the issues it would serve no purpose. What would work better is for a group of people (instead of protesting) to set up a meeting with the police department in their area.
This very thing has just been established here by a local group (there was a meeting from 7am-8:30am this morning). The group approached the city police chief with the idea, and he agreed to it. It is called "Coffee with Cops" where the general public can come to a local restaurant and have coffee with officers. It's an open forum where the public can ask questions and hold discussions with local law enforcement to make sure there is an open line of communication.
It has worked very well so far and there has yet to be one act of violence or even a raised voice. It's a nice chance to realize that police officers are also human beings just like us.
First because it shows a willingness to communicate. Second, while not militant, the NAACP still is active in this regard.
So first you say the concept is not productive. Then you give an example of a productive meeting that, I assume, was not with BLM.
While many individual policemen, including police leaders, are undoubtedly racist or biased, in that they are not immune from an ill that afflicts society in general, claims of "institutional racism", to my mind, miss the mark.
The basic issue is that the police are being asked to solve problems that have social, economic, medical, and educational causes, but legal/criminal effects. The larger "racism" here is in intentional ideologies and resultant policies of what might be called "unbenign neglect" that allow injustices, and resultant resentments, to build up and fester, unaddressed for decades and generations, along with the resultant malignancy of drug addiction and its manifold destructive effects to unfold and spread, and then expect the police and criminal system to handle it.
Instead of addressing causes for endemic social and economic ills, the War on Drugs has criminalized whole communities, converting police from guardians and protectors to occupiers and oppressors, and ultimately destroying the "village", if you will, in order to "save" it.
Once everyone gets a good debate going, it's difficult to inject facts, but, Walter Williams had an excellent column today on this matter. Blacks vs. Police – Walter E. Williams
He pointed-out some specific facts regarding the actual number of police shootings this year (737 people have been shot and killed by police this year in the United States. Of that number, there were 329 whites, 165 blacks, 112 Hispanics, 24 members of other races and 107 people whose race was unknown). He further highlighted the 4,379 shootings and 806 murders in Chicago alone, the majority of which are black on black shootings, of which only about 12-percent are solved. (The inference that there is very little cooperation in the black community to solve these shootings).
Finally, Williams pointed-out that a glaring problem with the BLM movement, is the tendency to try to depict people like Baltimore’s Freddie Gray, Ferguson’s Michael Brown and Florida’s Trayvon Martin as 'heros.' Along these lines, I have a jpg photo (I couldn't post?) of a protester carrying a large sign: "No mother should have to fear for her son's life -- every time he robs a store." - I certainly hope this wasn't serious, but, it does somewhat seem to represent the attitude of BLM protesters, which is why they aren't taken more seriously.
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Finally, Williams pointed-out that a glaring problem with the BLM movement, is the tendency to try to depict people like Baltimore’s Freddie Gray, Ferguson’s Michael Brown and Florida’s Trayvon Martin as 'heros.' Along these lines, I have a jpg photo (I couldn't post?) of a protester carrying a large sign: "No mother should have to fear for her son's life -- every time he robs a store." - I certainly hope this wasn't serious, but, it does somewhat seem to represent the attitude of BLM protesters, which is why they aren't taken more seriously.
This is one of the reasons why I support the concept of "black lives matter", but dislike the organization Black Lives Matter.
First because it shows a willingness to communicate. Second, while not militant, the NAACP still is active in this regard.
So first you say the concept is not productive. Then you give an example of a productive meeting that, I assume, was not with BLM.
And again I ask, why are these groups not reaching out to the police to initiate these peaceful conversations? If the issue is important to them they won't lay on the excuse that the police need to initiate anything. They will ask the police to discuss with them.
The productive meeting was with the community and not with a specific group. There could be any number of people in the community as part of the groups but they don't come to represent any group or any agenda. They come to represent the community as a whole.
Part of the issue are the groups. There just need to be meetings between the community and the community's law enforcement as individuals in the community. That would likely lower the guard of law enforcement if there is no concern that the group will attempt to push any agenda.
I am saying these BLM activist are just ridiculous with their needs to feel entitled to such privileges.
In my area, there is a small community where our ethnic group were getting ROBBED in broad daylight by black people everyday. (Security Footage were posted all over the social media network in our area)
Those are the people that does not respect any authorities and have no respect for other people's property and lives as well.
When they do get confronted, they either turn to violence or run away from the cops which will result in the cops shooting you. Why do they think it is OK to do that and whine if they get shot?
These officers have people who cares about them and family to return to, they are humans too, STOP FEELING LIKE EVERYONE OWE YOU and get a life.
Stop committing crime and obey the law and I do not see why you will get shot.
This group is just Shameless when they do things like this.
And again I ask, why are these groups not reaching out to the police to initiate these peaceful conversations? If the issue is important to them they won't lay on the excuse that the police need to initiate anything. They will ask the police to discuss with them.
The productive meeting was with the community and not with a specific group. There could be any number of people in the community as part of the groups but they don't come to represent any group or any agenda. They come to represent the community as a whole.
Part of the issue are the groups. There just need to be meetings between the community and the community's law enforcement as individuals in the community. That would likely lower the guard of law enforcement if there is no concern that the group will attempt to push any agenda.
2. You seem to forget that the motto of many police organizations across the country is "To protect and serve".
3. We need to lower the guard of the ineffective police who are doing the killing?
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