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Old 04-08-2018, 11:53 PM
 
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It's a plan that was on the books .. and is NOT taught in HS. IT considers having MOCK victims and MOCK funerals. Yet people who suggest crisis actors are wacko????

THE GOVT CREATED THE IDEA OF CRISIS ACTORS.
My first thought. There are a lot of people who think the us government is completely corrupt and is out to start wars to fund the military industrial complex but then as soon as a mass shooting happens they cannot believe the gov would set something up and that we should all relinquish our guns and let the trusty government hold all power.
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Old 04-09-2018, 12:06 AM
 
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Well... if you want to follow un-doctored un filtered 'evidence', the trail begins to get "shut down" by the "cleaning crew".


Barry Jennings NYC Housing Authority emergency Coordinator was trapped for hours in Bldg 7 at WTC on 9-11. Jennings, seen in some internet videos post 9-11, stated he and his supervisor Michael Hess had been blown back by a huge explosion and that they heard multiple detonations coming from the buildings basement prior to the collapse of the twin towers. He also reported stepping over dead bodies which contradicts the official story that nobody died in Bldg 7.
Jennings died in a hospital on Aug 19, 2008 only two days before the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) released its "report". A Private investigator hired to look into Jennings suspicious death returned the money to her client with the message "Never contact me again".


Kenneth Johannemann was a WTC janitor, who reported seeing explosions on the upper floor of twin towers as well as a "massive explosion in the basement fo one. He rescued someone who had rec'd full body burns at the base - not the top of the building where the crash and fires were seen. His death from a gunshot wound Sep 2008 was ruled a suicide. His friends and associates did not believe it.


Michael Doran was a lawyer for some of the 9-11 victims. He died in a private plane crash April 28, 2009 in Ohio.


Christopher Landis, Ops Mgr for the VA Dept of Transportation appeared with a photo collection on a video called the PentaCon, showing various shots he had taken from his unobstructed view of the Pentagon crash and the ensuing fire. Some of the pictures showed various people in government vehicles, who apparently should NOT have been on the scene so soon.. Only a week after the witnesses from the gas station were filmed confirming his story, Landis apparently , committed suicide. His family didn't believe it.


Paul Smith was Channel 7 news team helicopter pilot who first flew around WTC burning scene. Smith was killed oct 7, 2007and wife was seriously injured when a runaway taxicab jumped a curb and plowed into them on NYC sidewalk. The cab driver claimed he was run off the road by a black car (never identified). Smith's cameraman, John Del Giorno, has since refused to talk to newsmen about his filming of flight 175, which crashed into the 2nd tower and what else was scene.


Deborah Palfrey ran the Prostitution ring in DC that had several key 9-11 main players as clients; former CIA director and co chairman of the 9-11 intelligence query Porter Goss. Palfrey stated publicly she had information of great interest to the 9-11 Commission. She stated "I'm not planning to let anyone buy me off and I'm not planning on committing suicide". She wanted to expose details in court. But on April 15, 2008, Ms. Palfrey mom found her hanging by the neck on a nylon rope in a shed behind her FL home. The "official" story was suicide.


Maj. General David Wherley was the officer who scrambled the fighter jets - too late - into the Washington skies on 9-11. he was killed in the Washington metro trains crash of June 22, 2009.


Salvatore Pinciotta was a first responder NYC firefighter from ladder 9. The side windows and windshield were inexplicably blown off of his fire truck . Whatever Pinciotta witnessed is not on record and he was murdered in an alleged robbery on May 23, 2007.


David Graham saw three of the alleged hijackers in the Shreveport , LA airport prior to 9-11, but when he brought this information to the FBI after the fact, he received threats from the agents. Graham died of poisoning Sept 17, 2006. His case went uninvestigated and was 'filed' away.




Common denominator for the dead 9-11 eyewitnesses and that was their testimonies coincided with facts uncovered by thousands of architectural experts.














Hi ho, hi ho, off to the memory hole we go.....




The "Debate" - if you want to call it that, is WHY is the eyewitness material and testimony shunned and dismissed if it can support the "reported story"?

Or much like July 16, 1996, Flight TWA flight 800, why were over 200 eyewitness reports from people on Long Island as well as pilots dismissed? Along with, Why was standard protocol for flight crash investigation NOT followed? Why did the US Navy take over from the proper agency?
[Hey, no bother we were in the vicinity doing naval exercises on some new missile technology, and, well, we advise you to go back to your offices and let us handle this.]


Anyone else see a pattern here?
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Old 04-09-2018, 02:33 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Belief is not evidence so I am not sure what exactly is being debated?
Belief is in the thread title

The OP is questioning why people don’t believe 9/11 was an inside job. That’s the debate.
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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We were told the WTC buildings were designed to withstand aircraft strikes, and yet these buildings collapsed due to aircraft strikes.


This is not true. Fun to repeat stuff you read on the Internet, but stuff isn't always true just because it's on the Internet. Or more likely, rather than an outright lie, a thread of truth is woven into something that it never was.

The fact is that back in the design phase of the original towers in the 60s some calculations were done to see what might happen if a jet airliner struck the building, a remote but maybe real possibility given the proximity of the three major airports. The scenario was that a plane might get lost/misdirected, maybe in fog, when landing or taking off from one of those airports.

People who were around back then, specifically Leslie Robertson, IIRC, recalled this being done, but any paperwork associated with those design calculations no longer exists.

Regardless, it's not the same thing as a commercial jet slamming head-on into the buildings at full speed. No one ever anticipated that or said that the buildings would withstand such impact. Still, there were engineers in the building that day who thought the buildings would hold, and there were others who were pretty sure from the outset that they might collapse.

You know, we who worked there and had been there in 1993 used to sometimes muse over what method the terrorists would try next. (I personally always thought it would be a truck bomb, even though the access and security for trucks into the complex was severely changed after 1993 and bollards were installed all around the perimeter. I didn't think the bollards were that great a deterrent.)

Both coworkers who said they would come back with planes envisioned smaller planes loaded with explosives being flown into the buildings. They were closer, and neither of them thought of commercial jets, but they were on the right track. (Both of them lived that day to say, "I told you so", too.)
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Old 04-10-2018, 09:49 PM
 
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This is not true. Fun to repeat stuff you read on the Internet, but stuff isn't always true just because it's on the Internet. Or more likely, rather than an outright lie, a thread of truth is woven into something that it never was.

The fact is that back in the design phase of the original towers in the 60s some calculations were done to see what might happen if a jet airliner struck the building, a remote but maybe real possibility given the proximity of the three major airports. The scenario was that a plane might get lost/misdirected, maybe in fog, when landing or taking off from one of those airports.

People who were around back then, specifically Leslie Robertson, IIRC, recalled this being done, but any paperwork associated with those design calculations no longer exists.

Regardless, it's not the same thing as a commercial jet slamming head-on into the buildings at full speed. No one ever anticipated that or said that the buildings would withstand such impact. Still, there were engineers in the building that day who thought the buildings would hold, and there were others who were pretty sure from the outset that they might collapse.

You know, we who worked there and had been there in 1993 used to sometimes muse over what method the terrorists would try next. (I personally always thought it would be a truck bomb, even though the access and security for trucks into the complex was severely changed after 1993 and bollards were installed all around the perimeter. I didn't think the bollards were that great a deterrent.)

Both coworkers who said they would come back with planes envisioned smaller planes loaded with explosives being flown into the buildings. They were closer, and neither of them thought of commercial jets, but they were on the right track. (Both of them lived that day to say, "I told you so", too.)

I admit there is a large amount of disinformation to wade through, but that is nature of obfuscation and deceit, a la, the best place to hide a leaf is in the forest analogy. Muddle the investigation with other conspiracies to frustrate most everyone into probing for truth via facts.

Since you have close relationships with those in WTC facilities, did any of them know the supervisor of the WTC Modernization project during which multiple vendors has access to various parts of the service core (ten month elevator retrofit) and structural underpinnings (asbestos removal) by virtue of their work? ACE Elevator of NJ and LVI Services.


LVI Services is a DOD contractor that also does demolition as ancillary LOB to their fireproofing services for which they were hired to do for the WTC towers.

FWIW
http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/AceElevator/


I empathize with those who suffered that day (and still) from the tragedy. I don't redily accept the events as related by the government mouthpiece media as believable.


The 'demolition' of WTC building 7 is the most obvious sign. Buildings do not collapse at free fall speed from fire. Search, Malcolm Howard, CIA Operative civil engineer and read what he said when near death. Knowing what tenants occupied WTC7 leads one to who had the skills and means to do so.

As well as the BBC reporting WTC7 (Salomon Brothers bldg.) being destroyed in live ticker feed while it was still standing! Now that's UNBELIEVABLE!


For the OP--------[ cue EMF for rockin' oldie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Vl7FJuiNo

In a nutshell, people will believe what they want to believe and disregard 'the rest' as Simon and Garfunkle referenced in song (The Boxer - still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest).


It's "The rest" where you will often find the closest proximation of truth versus what someone wants you to believe by virtue of what they 'allow' to be seen and heard and shown in programming to promulgate a 'programmed' public ready to accept 'their stories'. This has been a public service announcement and best wishes to all and to all 'The Rest'.
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Old 04-11-2018, 07:04 AM
 
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There's no such thing as "the official story", at least not as regards how the buildings in NYC went down.

The conspiracy theories vary widely, though, from the possible, like maybe somebody knew and let it happen, to the completely retarded, like there were no planes.
IDK about that, ask any random person about 9-11 and majority will say it was the evil Islamic terrorists that hijacked planes and crashed them into WTC and the Pentagon.
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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Sometimes in order to protect American interests you have to do things that the public may not need to know about.
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Old 04-11-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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Sometimes in order to protect American interests you have to do things that the public may not need to know about.
Good luck with that one, Mr Reputation: 666.

What is hidden will be brought into the light.
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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Good luck with that one, Mr Reputation: 666.

What is hidden will be brought into the light.
Even if it was discovered 20 yrs down the road, our Govt did play a part in 9-11, what would the average person do about it...NOTHING.

MK Ultra is a great example, these bizarre and illegal projects were proven to be real, but no one ever did anything about it, CIA or FBI was never punished for their involvement, heck most people do not even know what this was!!
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Old 04-12-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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Even if it was discovered 20 yrs down the road, our Govt did play a part in 9-11, what would the average person do about it...NOTHING.

MK Ultra is a great example, these bizarre and illegal projects were proven to be real, but no one ever did anything about it, CIA or FBI was never punished for their involvement, heck most people do not even know what this was!!
I agree. There is no organised group with sufficient will or powers to do anything.

My view of the context of things being brought into the light is really the next life. Everyone in the spiritual realm knows the truth of what happens in this life, because they can visit the events and read the thoughts of people involved at the time it happened, or they can just ask new and old friends about anything and get the answer.
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