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Right....many times the abuser spouse has mental issues and has no intention of going to jail. Yeah send in a social worker......soon social workers will quit
IF there was no chance of them being arrested or going to jail...why would they cause social workers to quit?
Social workers, psychologists are trained specifically to deal with people with mental problems, if my spouse had mental problems and was having a 'meltdown', I would feel much safer if a social worker/psychologist arrived to deal with him instead of a cop!!
Same thing with drug crimes...if someone I knew was caught in a drug deal, I would feel much better if an addiction specialist or psychologist showed up to deal with it, rather than a cop. How is a cop going to resolve the underlying addiction problem, so it doesnt happen again? Id love to hear that!
IF there was no chance of them being arrested or going to jail...why would they cause social workers to quit?
Social workers, psychologists are trained specifically to deal with people with mental problems, if my spouse had mental problems and was having a 'meltdown', I would feel much safer if a social worker/psychologist arrived to deal with him instead of a cop!!
Same thing with drug crimes...if someone I knew was caught in a drug deal, I would feel much better if an addiction specialist or psychologist showed up to deal with it, rather than a cop. How is a cop going to resolve the underlying addiction problem, so it doesnt happen again? Id love to hear that!
In the situation I'm envisioning, it's not even that someone calls 911 and a social worker or addiction specialist is dispatched. It's more like social services in general are more robustly funded so that citizens have access to those resources. Their situation rarely escalates to the point that the police have to be involved, because they've been getting the help they need all along.
You have just gotten lucky. Or the “wrong” kind of brown. Most Black or Latino men I know have been hassled on multiple occasions - and while I don’t think this matters - the vast majority of people are know have a middle class+ upbringing and/or when to college and/or have white collar jobs. It happens.
I have a friend who works at NASA. He came home one day and there were police cars in his complex, when he pulled in they pulled guns on him because they thought he was a suspect. His neighbors had to vouch for him, they didn’t allow him to pull out his drivers licenses until after the neighbors vouched for him. Stuff like this happens all the time. I’d say around 30% of these same men have had guns pulled on them by police as well. And not only those who grew up in urban areas.
I think the most frustrating thing for me is the number of people who don’t believe this stuff happens because they have never experienced it. It is really easy to buy into the narrative that it only happens to troublemakers as it makes it an easy justification. But the reality is, racial profiling is real. And some people get lucky and do not experience it.
No I haven't gotten lucky. I was literally stating that I have been harassed by the police for doing nothing wrong and that they racially profiled me. Please go back and reread my post. What I added was that both the harassment and racial profiling was done for the right reasons. I don't want to retype everything again. The only thing I want to add is since I actually understand how the world works according to society as a whole and not my small little view of the world; those intersections with the police went a lot better then what some of these "innocents" who have been recently "harassed" went thorough. Even after being "harassed" multiple times by the police for no reason I have never been arrested, shot or even physically touched by the police. I wonder if it has something to do with using just a bit of common sense in my interactions with the "big bad police?"
Let me ask you a hypothetical question: Lets say there was a child rapist loose in your neighborhood and the only information the police have on him is that he was wearing a bright pink shirt every single time he raped a kid. Please tell me if you would call the police if you saw a man wearing a bright pink shirt in your neighborhood hanging out close a playground? I think anyone who says they wouldn't lacks all common sense. This is no different then racial profiling for the RIGHT reasons.
IF there was no chance of them being arrested or going to jail...why would they cause social workers to quit?
Social workers, psychologists are trained specifically to deal with people with mental problems, if my spouse had mental problems and was having a 'meltdown', I would feel much safer if a social worker/psychologist arrived to deal with him instead of a cop!!
Same thing with drug crimes...if someone I knew was caught in a drug deal, I would feel much better if an addiction specialist or psychologist showed up to deal with it, rather than a cop. How is a cop going to resolve the underlying addiction problem, so it doesnt happen again? Id love to hear that!
This is precisely the kind of thinking that was current in the 1970s, during a huge crime wave. Then policymakers and the public came to their senses and elected a new generation of law-and-order leadership, and crime came back under control.
You don't stop crime by being nice. Been there, done that.
I have noticed the "defund the police" BS has started to quiet down as more deaths are happening in cities like Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, LA, etc. The people who actually live in theses cities are not high on this idea especially when they are the ones who call 911 requesting help from the police.
As time goes on, and people actually start looking at some figures about the police encounters with black men, this idea will be put to rest.
In 2018 there were approx. 7,000+ black homicide victims in the USA, nine or 10 were unarmed black men shot by police. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a Black male than an unarmed Black male is to be killed by a police officer.
And there was never any proof given (as of yet) that Floyd was killed cause he was black, or cause the cop who killed him did it for another reason; be it revenge or just being an idiot. As for the shooting in Atlanta, that did not appear to have a racist angle at all.
Time will tell....but I believe it will be history soon in 95 percent of the country.
I have noticed the "defund the police" BS has started to quiet down as more deaths are happening in cities like Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, LA, etc. The people who actually live in theses cities are not high on this idea especially when they are the ones who call 911 requesting help from the police.
As time goes on, and people actually start looking at some figures about the police encounters with black men, this idea will be put to rest.
In 2018 there were approx. 7,000+ black homicide victims in the USA, nine or 10 were unarmed black men shot by police. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a Black male than an unarmed Black male is to be killed by a police officer.
And there was never any proof given (as of yet) that Floyd was killed cause he was black, or cause the cop who killed him did it for another reason; be it revenge or just being an idiot. As for the shooting in Atlanta, that did not appear to have a racist angle at all.
Time will tell....but I believe it will be history soon in 95 percent of the country.
I don't know; I hope you're right. NYC and LA seem to be moving forward with massive budget cuts to their PD.
No I haven't gotten lucky. I was literally stating that I have been harassed by the police for doing nothing wrong and that they racially profiled me. Please go back and reread my post. What I added was that both the harassment and racial profiling was done for the right reasons. I don't want to retype everything again. The only thing I want to add is since I actually understand how the world works according to society as a whole and not my small little view of the world; those intersections with the police went a lot better then what some of these "innocents" who have been recently "harassed" went thorough. Even after being "harassed" multiple times by the police for no reason I have never been arrested, shot or even physically touched by the police. I wonder if it has something to do with using just a bit of common sense in my interactions with the "big bad police?"
Let me ask you a hypothetical question: Lets say there was a child rapist loose in your neighborhood and the only information the police have on him is that he was wearing a bright pink shirt every single time he raped a kid. Please tell me if you would call the police if you saw a man wearing a bright pink shirt in your neighborhood hanging out close a playground? I think anyone who says they wouldn't lacks all common sense. This is no different then racial profiling for the RIGHT reasons.
No,I don't think that is right. We should not profile people with really vague descriptions. "suspect is a young black man in a hoodie." What kind of bs is that? That is like 85% of young black men. That is a horrible B.S. excuse to harass people - and that goes against the very principles of our civil liberties and being innocent until proven guilty.
Sounds like you are the kind of brown where the assumption is that "you are not an immediate threat." Black people are seen as threats immediately - no matter what you are doing and how you are dressed. Things escalate quickly because the base assumption is threatening. This is a problem. There are plenty of studies that say black children are perceived to be several years older than they are starting at age 5 or 6.
In 9 days I will no longer be the police and I can feel every second as it passes because I am scared to death that I may find myself having to try to arrest someone between now and then. Well, that's not entirely true because I have resolved myself to fleeing if that becomes the case because my state has made it impossible to take a resisting perp into custody without risking jail time (me that is).
So this 8 year domestic violence supervisor is willingly abandoning about 140 currently active cases with victims and tons of training and experience to go become an electrician 10 years earlier than expected. My kids having me around matters WAY more than all of the people getting shot and killed currently in NYC. I'm not risking jail time to catch a perp even if they killed a 3 year old right in front of me. Blunt as hell, but true and I am not going to be afraid to say so.
States/cities are not leaving room for police "reform" right now. They are just flat out making it impossible to police. Any cop who does anything more than take a report for a crime - even if it happens right in their presence - is mentally ill.
My prayer is that there is no need to "defund" the police. No one should be left willing to do the job.
It's an insult and travesty to mention defunding police. Police keep law & order, protect people from criminals, and help the helpless. These ignorant people that want to defund police better need or call 911 for help.
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