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I would like to see a social worker at a domestic dispute.
Well, technically, they would be better equipped to handle such a situation, cops are mainly going to be just looking for actions they can detain or arrest someone for...that is not necessarily going to solve the deeper problems causing the domestic issue they were called to.
Defunding the police will be source for great entertainment. It will be fun to watch these liberal cities go into full mad max scenarios.
These city's will regret defunding the police when the tourists stop coming and majority of the businesses move out. Crime will be rampant no one will be safe including the idiot politicians that didn't have the courage to listen to the majority of the residence and instead bent over backwards to satisfy the extreme minority views.
Defunding the police is the stupidest idea I've ever heard.
Nebraska is NOT New York, Illinois, Georgia, California,Texas...
I live in Florida.
Tourism will return when things settle down.
Less police is less police stupidity.
It's all a knee jerk reaction to the death of George Floyd.
I don't even think this is about George Floyd much. It's no coincidence that this movement is happening now, and other deaths in police custody have not set off this tidal wave (some of them were just as awful). The economy is teetering. There's not enough money to go around. Everyone can see which way the wind is blowing, and local governments are more than happy to seize this opportunity to grab some budget from the police. Usually cutting police and emergency services funds is a no-no, you'll go down in the next election kind of thing, but if it's presented as a quest for justice...
The effect on a huge portion of the public is to infer that the police should be disbanded. Not a cool motto to be brandishing during a time of civil unrest.
Suggestion: "REFORM the police."
I've heard they've tried such phrasings in the past. Problem is, it's gotten us nowhere. You go with "reform the police", and they just add a few policy changes here and there. Things were still the same way.
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Also, by doing things like laying off the current PD, and rehiring everyone again, it goes a good way towards rooting out the existing bad culture in a PD force. This also keeps police unions from blocking meaningful changes.
Nebraska is NOT New York, Illinois, Georgia, California,Texas...
I live in Florida.
Tourism will return when things settle down.
Less police is less police stupidity.
LOL rational thinking has gone on vacation.
How long will it take for things to "settle down", 2 years, 10 years, 25 years? So before things settle down how will you protect yourself? Florida has a large number of retired people and will become a hunting ground for criminals.
I'll make a prediction, if the police are eliminated or just defunded, at some point you will change your mind and tell your politicians to reinstall the police to full force.
How would laws be enforced without police? I cannot understand how anything would work.
The two largest cities in Australia are Sydney and Melbourne. In the whole country, arrivals from overseas are being quarantined in hotels for fourteen days. But the details and operation of the quarantine are a state matter.
So in Melbourne, a private security company has been in charge of the quarantine security. The virus has been transmitted from returning travellers to the community via security guards. Currently 300,000 people have gone back into soft lockdown to try to stop the spread of the virus. Last night several towers of social housing have gone into a few days hard lockdown. It has emerged that the guards were ignoring protocols, even rumoured to have been instances of guards sleeping with the travellers.
In Sydney the quarantine has been enforced by health workers, the army and the police. No cases have emerged from the quarantine hotels. We currently have no community transmission thanks to the efficiency of the police and the others.
The irony is that the Victorian (Melbourne) state government is quite left wing and the NSW (Sydney) one is centre right.
I am so glad we have had our police at the front of the response, not private contractors.
As a so called "leftist" I don't think we should defund the police. I do know that where I once lived they were paid a lot so in cases like that, don't keep raising the pay. Yes, maybe use some of that money to train them differently, but realize that they can't be expected to do everything. They protect us and they put their lives on the line. How can we expect them to, for instance, come away from a potentially death threatening confrontation and run to their next call which is to calmly settle a domestic dispute, then go and chase someone who's stolen something and still maintain the same level of calm and control?
It's a stressful job. So help them learn to cope with the stress, give them some pointers as to how better to deal with people, but don't expect them to be police officers and social workers at the same time. That's what social workers are for.
I've give you a recent example that comes from where I currently live. It's an apartment complex and we have one troublesome neighbor. She's the type who screams and hollers at her neighbors for no reason, calls the police for no reason except to make them come over here so she can keep on screaming. (Thank goodness I don't live that close to her!)
For three years she's been threatening to take one of her neighbors to court. It's over nothing. It happens over and over and over again and couldn't the police be somewhere else doing their job rather than coming here to listen to this crazy lady scream?
Well, it may be due to the publicity about the police but something different happened last week when she called the police. They came over but they brought a social worker with them. The screaming stopped and the social worker sat and talked with this woman. The social worker is a specialist in dealing with people's problems and in finding answers for the person. I assume the social worker did a pretty good job because no one here has heard anything from this woman since that day.
Social workers can work wonders and it's not just this one case but they can probably mitigate the situation instead of being confrontational like a police officer would tend to be. It's not the police officer's job to be a social worker. So, yes, take a bit of the money and apply it to training and hiring more social workers. They can also work with families and they can get to the root of the problem to stop violence before it happens.
Well said esp the sentence “ It’s not the police officers job to be a social worker”. But the police should have a social worker on call in the small towns and on staff in cities when problems like your neighbor happen. Would save everyone a lot of stress.
Nonsense. The institutions of law enforcement have evolved over the centuries. You can't just tear them down now and hope for the best.
Americans need to decide whether they want an orderly society such as existed in the 1950s and earlier, or a very disorderly and dangerous society dominated by ideological cliques such as has existed since the 1960s.
Most Americans younger than 80 don't even remember what it was like to live in a safe city. They used to make movies about detectives solving murder cases, because murder was rare. Now, 19 people get shot to death in Chicago out of a hundred shootings in one weekend, including a 3-year-old and a 7-year-old, and it barely makes the news. People would rather talk about police brutality.
If we actually "defund" the police, the money won't go to fancy social workers and such. It'll go to other budgetary needs, like lining the pockets of politicians and heads of construction unions, corruption among county commissioners, over-priced office supplies, private security details for city council members in Minneapolis, etc.
Since March, there's been a big run on the gun stores. People are stocking up, preparing for lawlessness and the dreaded "9-1-1, no one is available to take your call!" type of recorded message.
I came across this article and realized that there is something fundamentally wrong with the ways we, and the police approach conflicts.
While comparing police rules, regulation, expected behavior and conflict resolution in other developed, civilized countries it became clear that we definitely need a different way to train and teach police force to do their job.
However, I also realized that models described in the article couldn't apply to our society in the US. For that it's sadly way too late... https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ritain/612820/
But also keep in mind that the US has the highest gun ownership in the world........so bringing a social worker to a gun fight isn't going to work out too well.
Stop doing crimes and we would not need the Police. Until then we need the Police.
There are some violent, crazy People in this world.
The Police are not perfect, 99% of them do a fantastic job.
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