Renaming Confederate Named Military Installations. (interview, Marines, school, compare)
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I think it is all a bunch of silliness. No one really knows who these people were. Fort Sill? Who is Sill? Fort Bragg? No idea. Moultrie? Probably some French Kenigit.
I think it is all a bunch of silliness. No one really knows who these people were. Fort Sill? Who is Sill? Fort Bragg? No idea. Moultrie? Probably some French Kenigit.
Yeah. It's more about puffing up chests and kicking dust in the air. The particular names used don't amount to squat. I want to change them all to Fort Hognose, Fort Blishmash, Fort Bumface, Fort Zynnglom, etc.
Pretty interesting territory we’re moving into now. The thread is going from “If I ignore the people on the other side it makes it look like there’s no one there, so no one actually cares about this issue” to “Well if I don’t know who they are no one else does either. Everyone else is probably as ignorant of history as I am.”
Well done.
Therein lies the problem of why this naming of bases lasted though the ages, that executive branch IS, all too often, a vocal minority..
Actually according to ABC poll - the majority oppose renaming 42% support & 56% oppose renaming - so those calling for the renaming are the vocal minority.
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Your analysis is a little off. Both houses have passed legislation requiring it. 81-14 in the R controlled Senate.
Your analysis is a little off - that is the national defense authorization bill that was being authorized - funding defense is what passed - it is still up in the air over renaming bases and Afghanistan drawdown to be discussed. From defense news
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U.S. House and Senate conferees will meet Wednesday to wrangle over the massive 2021 defense authorization bill, but they still face potentially bill-derailing fights over whether to keep plans requiring the retitling of Confederate-named bases and regarding an Afghanistan drawdown.
Again leave it up to the military brass, stop politicizing these type of things.
Millions of soldiers have passed through these bases in their existence. I'd guess that very few (if any) cared in the least about the name of the base. [moderator edit]
I'd be curious if the crew of the currently active cruiser USS Chancellorsville had any opinions about the name of their ship. In World War II, the light cruiser USS Columbia flew the Confederate naval jack for the duration of the war.
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Actually according to ABC poll - the majority oppose renaming 42% support & 56% oppose renaming - so those calling for the renaming are the vocal minority.
Your analysis is a little off - that is the national defense authorization bill that was being authorized - funding defense is what passed - it is still up in the air over renaming bases and Afghanistan drawdown to be discussed. From defense news
Again leave it up to the military brass, stop politicizing these type of things.
No, you're wrong, my analysis is not a little off, it's correct.
I know it's NDAA, the NPR piece made that pretty clear. Telling me that, is just wasting space stating the obvious.
My purpose in citing the NDAA was to counter your assertion, that Congress wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't/ get involved in the decision. The house and senate bills have not yet been reconciled, and can't be sent to the President until they are.
Your Defense News piece told me nothing I didn't already know, which leads me to believe you don't understand the process.
There are other polls that disagree with the ABC poll.
I noted in the OP that the genesis of the proposal was a rise in white supremacy in the ranks.
No, you're wrong, my analysis is not a little off, it's correct.
I know it's NDAA, the NPR piece made that pretty clear. Telling me that, is just wasting space stating the obvious.
My purpose in citing the NDAA was to counter your assertion, that Congress wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't/ get involved in the decision. The house and senate bills have not yet been reconciled, and can't be sent to the President until they are.
Your Defense News piece told me nothing I didn't already know, which leads me to believe you don't understand the process.
There are other polls that disagree with the ABC poll.
I noted in the OP that the genesis of the proposal was a rise in white supremacy in the ranks.
I didn't say they couldn't or wouldn't only that I think they shouldn't. The defense news was to show that this is still under discussion, not a done deal yet - no analysis needed. I have a lot of knowledge of how this stuff works, having been involved in this type of process many times before.
The military is under the executive branch, whether you like it or not. The military doesn't take action based on peeps feelings or polls, the chain of command is through the executive branch. I know the Legislature has the power to control this through funding and legislation but I wish they wouldn't.
I really don't have a dog in the fight whether the bases are renamed or not, I just think it is a knee jerk reaction and would be best if congress did not get involved. BTW - not that it matters but I have been to more than half of these bases.
This is kind of silly really - where does it stop - why only these 10 bases, there are really 3 other bases that are tainted - 2 other bases named after confederate generals - Camp Pendleton, VA and Camp Maxey, TX and another major base is named after a slave plantation, Ft Belvoir, VA. There is also things like a barracks named after Robert E Lee at west point. What about the 64 counties and many cities that are named after these guys also. Some of these cities are not in southern states, such as Ft Bragg, CA and Breckenridge, CO - maybe they also should be forced to change.
BTW - There are currently 2 Camp Pendeltons, one in VA named after a Confederate General and one is in CA, named after a WW2 General.
Imagine if in 50 years when there is an economic and strategic reason for America to make nice with Afghanistan and suck up to them, so in the “spirit of reconciliation” we name a few bases after major Taliban fighters, like Fort bin Laden.
And then imagine how people who’s greatgrandmothers and greatgrandfathers died in the 9/11 attacks or died in combat during the subsequent wars would feel a couple decades later upon being assigned to that posting.
And then after all that, imagine someone sitting on their computer saying “Come on and be real; no one ACTUALLY cares about this. It’s just a vocal minority who represent outrage culture trying to stir people up. Where do we draw the line? IT’S HISTORY, PEOPLE!!! What’s next??!!”
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