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Old 11-27-2021, 08:12 PM
 
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China strikes again, this time in Uganda. They have taken over the Entebbe airport for default of debt payment. Entebbe is the only international airport in Uganda:
https://twitter.com/TanzaniaUpdates/...52041757069321


Six years ago China loaned Uganda 200M to expand the airport. Now it is China's airport. The Ugandans were convinced that their country would become a tourism hub if they expanded the airport and made it more modern.
https://www.cowi.com/solutions/build...airport-uganda
Is there any official source?

According to this site the Uganda CAA said it is a lie: https://nilepost.co.ug/2021/11/27/ca...ver-loan-cash/
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Old 11-28-2021, 08:36 AM
 
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Is there any official source?

According to this site the Uganda CAA said it is a lie: https://nilepost.co.ug/2021/11/27/ca...ver-loan-cash/
It has been reported by nearly every international news source.
Interesting that Uganda and China deny it. China is fighting back over reports of their debt trap scheme.
Thanks.
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Old 12-31-2021, 07:23 PM
 
Location: The American Southwest
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I don't think a conflict with China is inevitable. We just need to get over the fact that there are different forms of government in the world and just because we have a system that works for us does not mean that any country who isn't like us is the bad guy. Taiwan? It was China's originally anyway and just because the Nationalists declared it their own country when they retreated to it doesn't mean that it automatically became one. Trade? We have choices to buy things made in China and we do because they are less expensive than things made here, in general. If the roles were reversed, we would want to flood the world with our low cost products too. Maybe just getting along with less, or finding ways to make our goods more affordable to the people who live here is a start. Diplomacy? Diplomacy always works when both parties go into it with their eyes open and without false expectations. Both China and the US do not like to be threatened or have pressure applied from one to get the other to do something. There should be nothing that cant be worked out. Enough of the saber-rattling and lets try to solve issues, not compound them
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Old 12-31-2021, 09:57 PM
 
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I don't think a conflict with China is inevitable............ There should be nothing that cant be worked out. ............
China is depending upon Americans to believe that. They are interested in world domination and their continued debt-trap schemes are aimed at nothing else. China has tried to tamp down reports that China has ended up controlling Entebbe (Uganda) airport, but have not succeeded.
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the broader issue relates to the pattern of dependencies that China is creating and subsequently leveraging to further maintain and nurture its strategic asymmetrical relationship with African countries. In no way are the Chinese development projects and its generous infrastructure financing altruistic in nature. Two major issues come to light—the highly asymmetrical and imbalanced trade relationship in China’s favour, and the virtual absence of environmental impact assessments and due consultations with African civil society organisations and locals. Both these points were highlighted by Folashadé Soulé in a column written for the Collective for the Renewal of Africa (CORA), in which the author provides recommendations for achieving a more profitable and equitable Africa-China partnership.
China has no interest in environmental impact or social impact. They want infrastructure control all over the world. And they know time is running out.
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-spe...ional-airport/
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Old 01-02-2022, 07:39 AM
 
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Germane to the discussion of China and cold war is the article released today by Washington Examiner.
China has a foothold in Latin America and has every intent of expanding its presence in countries where China's record of human rights abuse is of no interest.
The effort was successfully launched during the reign of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Nicaraguan President Ortega has recently closed the Taiwan embassy and officially recognized Taiwan as a Chinese state. The ideological fault lines are being exploited by China in Latin America as much as they are everywhere else in the world.
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“There are absolutely ambitions for China to become the dominant influence in Latin America,” Haydar added. “The challenge is comprehensive, and there's absolutely a security and military interest there. ... That threat is growing, and it’s a different kind of threat than what we saw with the Soviet threat.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...-latin-america
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Old 01-02-2022, 04:11 PM
 
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There will be no hot war with China.
All those talks are disinformation.
China wins wars by the pinnacle of the military art - without use of military force.

Read Sun Tze The Art of War.
Disinformation is covering up soon to come split of the world into the new currency zones and for "business as usual" purposes - for the military industrial complex to profit from growing the military spending.
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Old 01-05-2022, 09:06 AM
 
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Why does the OP consider the current dynamic of US/China relations to be part of the “New” Cold War? China has always been an integral player in the Cold War going back to at least the late 1940s. China quickly aligned themselves with the Soviet Union after World War II and have been their’s and Russia’s ally ever since. Totalitarians like Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin headed allied regimes that would be the United States’ geopolitical opposition for decades to come.

That we are still beefing with China is NOT an indication of a new conflict, just a reinforcement of the position of an old foe.
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Old 01-05-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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As we progress through 21st century, it’s clear that conflict between USA and a China is unavoidable. We all can agree that we currently are already in a Cold War phase. China is an authoritarian government but so far it has played to their advantage: they can get things done far quicker since no one is there to oppose the will of great leader. That’s why they have seen unprecedented economic growth for past decade. They are also aggressively building their military. They are also heavily investing in Africa. However, due to their style, anti-Chinese sentiment is growing deep throughout the globe. Other than one or two countries like Pakistan and perhaps Russia, you can say they don’t really have true allies.

USA on the other hand has been hit hard by Covid. Our economy suffered and now we are experiencing inflation. There is a deep political divide but that has always been the case as far back as I can remember. While we have been criticized for being world-police, we get along well with government of other developed counties unlike China. I feel pretty confident in saying most counties would rather have USA as a world leader over China.

My question is this: who would win this Cold War? What would the situation look like in 2050? Will USA still remain at the top despite being hit hard with covid pandemic? Will China catch up with USA and there will be two global powers? Will China suppress USA?

What do you predict?
Hard to compare the periods, in my opinion. Having been in The Navy in the late 70's to early 90's in the actively engaged in US ASW. There is no comparisons to the Russians and the Chicom submarine fleet. During the period mentioned the cold war was as hot or hotter than when Kennedy was in the hot seat.

This is a great book on the subject
https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-891620-08-9
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Old 01-05-2022, 11:25 AM
 
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Germane to the discussion of China and cold war is the article released today by Washington Examiner.
China has a foothold in Latin America and has every intent of expanding its presence in countries where China's record of human rights abuse is of no interest.
The effort was successfully launched during the reign of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Nicaraguan President Ortega has recently closed the Taiwan embassy and officially recognized Taiwan as a Chinese state. The ideological fault lines are being exploited by China in Latin America as much as they are everywhere else in the world.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...-latin-america
Lithuania has recognized Taiwan and has opened up a representative office in the capital Vilnius and Lithuania
has opened a representative office in Taiwan. This really pissed off China and said they would halt trade with Lithuania. Lithuania only gets at most 1% of the goods from China so the halting of trade with China is no big deal. This makes Lithuania the 15th country to recognize Taiwan (Taipei) as an independent and democratic country.
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Old 01-29-2022, 10:48 PM
 
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Lithuania has recognized Taiwan and has opened up a representative office in the capital Vilnius and Lithuania
has opened a representative office in Taiwan. This really pissed off China and said they would halt trade with Lithuania. Lithuania only gets at most 1% of the goods from China so the halting of trade with China is no big deal. This makes Lithuania the 15th country to recognize Taiwan (Taipei) as an independent and democratic country.
Interesting change of events.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...na-2022-01-25/

Looks like Lithuania is experiencing a change of heart. Lithuania's government stance against China is polling very low. One has to ask why would their government take such action. As I see it the situation points to influence by outside countries. Probably in a effort to make Taiwan look strong and gather EU citizens support for stronger actions against China. In any conflict the U.S. will need Europe. Problem is Germany wants to make money off China, France is tired of being told what to do, and the U.K., well they left the E.U. so no one really cares what they think anymore.
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