Purpose of Handguns (concealed carry, Walmart, county, defence)
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You proved what? You proved absolutely nothing relevant to the topic.
So far all you have proven is that you are unable to have a rational discusion without going off on random meaningless tangents.
A determined person with a knife is much harder to defend against in close quarters than a man with a gun. If you know what you're doing anyway.
I do know what I'm doing, that's why I can defend against them. The knife is in someone's hand. Control the hand, and you control the weapon.
Reality is where you are missing the boat. Defending ones self against a delusional and irrational person wielding an edged weapon and defending against a street hardened criminal, who may be a veteran of many knife fights, is quite another. While I find your confidence in your level of training and experience in unarmed combat...inspiring, I think you may have seen one to many Steven Seagal flicks. Personally, I feel that relying on strictly unarmed methods will get you killed. I will choose a different path, and remain good friends with Col. Colt.
She wasn't the only person. I've defended myself from two other knife toters. Even have the knife from one of them. Nice knife, double edged. I'd like to get a sheath for it sometime.
Muleskinner you are right on the mark. The magic number is 21 feet or closer. An individual within that range with a knife will beat a handgun every time. I spent two weeks in knife fighting school and even though I do not always carry a handgun when I go out, very few times do I go without a knife.
It is a fact in this society that there are violent people by nature, and you have to defend yourself and family at times. If they are using a weapon I would like one two. Common sense will tell you if you are attacked, and your attacker is armed, you are at an extreme tactical disadvantage if you cannot meet force with like force. If you cannot see this for what it is I hope you are never put in a position to try and save a family member, the outcome will not favor you.
Wahington DC did ban handguns and they have the highest homicide rate in the nation. Arizona allows every citizen, legally allowed, to carry concealed. AZ has the lowest homicide rate in the nation, go figure. The courts have overturned the ban.
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Muleskinner you are right on the mark. The magic number is 21 feet or closer. An individual within that range with a knife will beat a handgun every time. I spent two weeks in knife fighting school and even though I do not always carry a handgun when I go out, very few times do I go without a knife.
It is a fact in this society that there are violent people by nature, and you have to defend yourself and family at times. If they are using a weapon I would like one two. Common sense will tell you if you are attacked, and your attacker is armed, you are at an extreme tactical disadvantage if you cannot meet force with like force. If you cannot see this for what it is I hope you are never put in a position to try and save a family member, the outcome will not favor you.
Wahington DC did ban handguns and they have the highest homicide rate in the nation. Arizona allows every citizen, legally allowed, to carry concealed. AZ has the lowest homicide rate in the nation, go figure. The courts have overturned the ban.
GOOD POST! ^
At around 1:00 on this vid ,this dude starts showing why you can't beat a knife and says as much....you can NOT defend yourself EMPTY handed against a SKILLED knife fighter and anyone who thinks they can is just plain ignorant of the facts of life...end of story .
MANY prisoners practice knife skills hour after hour and day after day while YOU go along with your daily life and not giving it a second thought.
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Yet I've done it more than once
I call BS....either you HAVE defended yourself against two knife attacks by people who were clueless on how to use one OR what you say is a fantasy in your own mind....one or the other.
A clueless moron off the street is a completely different animal than a skilled knife fighter.
Hmmm, I think Mules meter is working. OK, TK, you have come up against skilled blade guys , more than once, empty handed, and come out without a single cut? . Just lucky ,maybe? Or, perhaps, the guys you came up against were not exactly top hands with a blade. I much prefer the option of not closing with a knife wielding attacker. By doing so you are palying on HIS ground, and I like my internal organs just fine where they are, thanks.
This whole deal with a gun being useless in a close quarter fight against the knife leaves out ONE very important factor. REACTION TIME!
Yes if the party with the gun is within "closing" distance of the knife wielder and his gun is holstered and the knife wielder has already started his attack the gun owner is going to get cut. The question is how badly. Even with a fatal cut the gun wielder will have probably be able to get off a few rounds and BOTH parties will probably be dead.
Surviving a few slices probably has better odds than surviving six to fifteen hits with a .38 to .44 caliber slug.
There is only one way I know of that instant death can be inflicted with a knife. Not so with a large caliber handgun.
In the state I live in, New Jersey, you are not allowed to shoot an intruder who comes into your home and threatens your family. I learned this in 7th grade by a police officer and even though I didn't know much about gun rights/control then, I was shocked. I live in a liberal state but a lot of people have guns here. We did a poll in one of my classes of about 23 kids and found that all together, we owned about 60 guns.
You say that Chicago, San Francisco, and DC have outlawed guns. When I was in DC about 5 years ago, I heard about a shooting everyday on the news. Were guns banned then? Because it was not working very well.
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Guns, knives, and common sense....
The courts have overturned the ban.
GOOD POST! ^
. Just lucky ,maybe? Or, perhaps, the guys you came up against were not exactly top hands with a blade. I much prefer the option of not closing with a knife wielding attacker. By doing so you are palying on HIS ground, and I like my internal organs just fine where they are, thanks.
