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I have stayed out of this thread for a while, but you need some serious education. Second hand smoke makes me sick. It makes my eyes burn, makes me cough, makes my asthma act up, etc. How would you like it if someone was spraying pepper spray in the air around you? This is exactly how it makes us nonsmokers feel when you smoke around us. If you smoke only in your car and home, I have respect for you. But if you smoke in public places, I have zero respect for you.
I rarely smoke in my car or home...I cannot go in a bar or restaurant where smoking is allowed and stay for any length of time due to burning eyes, headache...etc....
There are many ways to do oneself in, and I would bet everyone has a vice of some type.. could be food, could be I choose to walk in a city, could be where I live... common sense and courtesy rule no matter what the vice...no I do not visit fast food places except on a rare occasion...nor do I drive with my window down much in cities...I try to avoid them...If I am outside my house smoking, and the wind is blowing in your face, I go the other direction as I am very aware and cannot stand myself, I wash my hands when preparing your food
Typical addicted smoker mentality. So because we are not immortal, lets destroy our body with toxic tobacco smoke and the hell with the ones that don't believe in that!
Yes I would have to eat unhealthy and become 90 lbs overweight to be at the same risk as your 1 pack a day addiction.
That is HILIAROUS cause I DON'T smoke but go on with your bad self! LOL
Personally I think cigarettes is generally a habit of
1) white trash
2) thugs
3) lost souls who smoke thinking it gives them an identity-this includes professionals and corporate executives
4) addicts-which all originated from one of the above groups, also the weakest segment of society
who don't have the strength to fight their addiction
My take--If you want to yellow your teeth, stink like hell and ingest poison inside your system, be my guest as long as I don't have to smell it, breath it, or know about it, and that includes your filthy little habit of littering your cigarette butts all over and throwing buts out of your car (see categories one and two).
Bottom Line the government has no right to intrude on someones personal liberty but they should protect individuals who don't want to be effected by it, therefore it should be limited to one's own personal property or designated smoking areas that have barriers to protect the rest of the public from this filth.
Bull crap. All the things you state can & do happen to people from perfume & other irritants. Theres a difference between getting irritated & getting cancer or serious illness as most people try & say SHS does. as AM said, theres no conclusive peer reviewed data to suggest second hand smoke is any worse than sitting next to some over perfumed diva at the casino. You cannot speak for all nonsmokers either. I'm a non smoker & wish smoking were permitted everywhere as it used to be. I can always move over oe leave if I want to get away from a smoker, however I can never regain freedom once its legislated away.
Your post is contradictory. You admit it is an irritant, that irritates people. That in itself means it should be illegal in public places. If I go out and irritate people in restaurants, casinos, etc, because I am drunk and belligerent, I will be kicked out. What is the difference? You are the minority as far as wanting to have smoking being legal in public places. In fact, all of my friends in Phoenix were thrilled when they outlawed smoking in all public places. Even my ex girlfriend, who is a smoker, is happy about it. It is not hard to walk outside in the designating smoking area for a couple minutes to smoke. They would not be outlawing smoking everywhere if the majority of the public did not agree with it.
Automobiles serve a useful purpose, while cigarettes pose absolutely none.
Remember that's you point of view. Conveniences that something provides is not a reason to allow or ban anything.
I think the regulations over the use of it should be left up to the property owners of each area. A business can decide for itself, a homeowner can decide who smokes on their property, But when a government get's involved and starts widespread bans, it's different. I get the bans on dropping acid, meth, crack, etc...but cigarettes? No. It can't be compared. Studies will try to prove anything is bad but, sorry, no, it needs to remain a freedom for people to decide for themselves.
And hey I agree - in large quantities, it's filthy and disguisting and people need to quit. But others who are more occasional smokers should not be held in the same light and their freedom tossed aside for the sake of the worst examples. I'm not advocating it's harmless but not everyone is a chain smoker. There are some, like myself who have a cigar like maybe once or twice a year and a cigarette on a very rare occassion too. And I hate littering as well and people that don't respect the breathing space of non-smokers..... just don't throw the whole topic in to one bucket. There's enough regulations and taxes on this for us already - I hate seeing the losers continue to give this a bad rap for guys like me. (By the way, I had a puff on cigarette about a week ago and haven't touched smoke in about 5 months prior.) This wouldn't be an issue is people would just handle the use of it in proper moderation and respect for the rest of mankind. I think that's the major issue here.
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Oh my god, you guys are insane! Second hand smoke is perfectly fine for non smokers? You guys must be smoking some crack along with your tobacco cigs... The simple fact it turns lungs BLACK with tar and soot is enough for us non smokers to have a problem with it people!
Are people tying you up & blowing it down your neck?
What your link basically says is that smoking is so bad for smokers we need to make up stuff to help get them to quit. Its coercion propaganda.
How about providing a clear conclusion from a peer reviewed study?
You cant because it does not exist. Its a nasty unpleasant thing to be around sometimes. When that happens I move. If I went to a resturant & I didn't like it I'd leave, a casino, I'd leave. Why should I expect PRIVATE property be tailored to my liking? As far as in public as in on the street its a non issue in anyway except for giving a bunch of whiny busybodies something to rant about.
If they ever do ban cigerettes you better get ready for a healthy tax increase the way we depend on tax's from smokes.
I only wish the biggest concern in my life was other peoples smoke. You guys need to find a hobby or something.
Your post is contradictory. You admit it is an irritant, that irritates people. That in itself means it should be illegal in public places. If I go out and irritate people in restaurants, casinos, etc, because I am drunk and belligerent, I will be kicked out. What is the difference? You are the minority as far as wanting to have smoking being legal in public places. In fact, all of my friends in Phoenix were thrilled when they outlawed smoking in all public places. Even my ex girlfriend, who is a smoker, is happy about it. It is not hard to walk outside in the designating smoking area for a couple minutes to smoke. They would not be outlawing smoking everywhere if the majority of the public did not agree with it.
Resturants & casinos are not public places. Town halls & libraries are.
What you say a few of your friends say is meaningless.
The truth is that if people cared as much as you say they do there would be no contest between a smoking & non smoking bar/ resturant & in no time flat the smoke free ones would be the only ones left.
However anywhere that was tried it failed miserably.
Also what the public wants is not always whats right. The public was goaded into wanting prohibition too.
My point above was that if you are hoing to ban smoking because its a simple irritant why stop there. I bet your after shave irritates some people, I'm certain your drinking does. Some folks are allergic to peanuts, need to ban those.
The biggest problem with you guys is your inability to even stay focused. First you wish it banned because it'll save lives, then when thats unprovable you want it banned because it bothers you.
So, should it be banned because you dont like the smell? Or because you believe the lie that is second hand smoke? Or because your mommy never told you sometimes you just have to deal with things you dont like in a mature manner, such as leaving a smoke filled room or walking upwind of a smoker?
Thats what a lung could look like from breathing in your second hand smoke (and or other pollutants)
This is your lung when you get Emphysema...
Not from my smoke, I dont smoke. Nasty habit.
Got any from a real second hand smokers lung though? As I said its simple propaganda fed to some sheep because they refuse to use their own gray matter. Dont you think that if there was truth to it they would use something besides a citi dwellers lung? Why not a lung from a smokers spouse or child? How about a lung from a person who worked in a bar or other place where smoking is common? Why not a lung from a drunk casino flunkie?
We talked about this sort of topic in school. Of course, like the initial poster, it spawned intense discussion so here's my take.
Legalize everything, sell it in Walmart or whatever store. Educators should continue to educate our children on the effects of all drugs to include cigs. Granted kids will be tempted but hasn't education in the school system already curbed cigarette use? I think so??
Drugs? The DWI, DUI standards will still apply, we cannot be high on crack and drive, its still a crime. If anything, caught driving on any of those drugs should result in hefty fines.
My opinion, if your stupid enough to do it, then go for it. Thinning the herd! The government has wasted millions on stopping drugs and what nots. Healthcare? If you don't have healthcare then your SOL. Tobacco and drug damage should have mimimal coverage, we should not pay for your stupidity.
After we fly away from the nest(momma's care), we should be treated like grown ups. We should be allowed to make stupid decisions. I smoked and chewed tobacco for years. But, in time, I realized the stuff made my heart race and my gums started to hurt. Guess what, I quit. Legalize everything, we are adults making adult decisions so we old enough to deal with the consequences.
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