When Did You Sign The Social Contract? (revolution, how much, politicians)

[mainelander]

but you don;t do without them.
you also forget about the passive protection of the police and the military.
the world is full of predators and you spoiled kids forget that sometimes

[TKramar]

The police are a JOKE, they're the worst of the criminals out there. They abuse their power by harassing average citizens--that's really all they do.

I can take care of my own problems as far as your "predators". Remember, I don't trust anyone.

[josmchicago]

You are naive TKramar. That is about that.

There are plenty of places you can move to and have far less of a government interference in your life. But when you end up dead in the first month, you won't be so happy.

I'm no advocate of government, in fact, I preach less government in the lives of citizens. Nowadays the government is crossing way over the line.

[mainelander]

people have been safe for so long they don't realize what the world is like without protection.

[TKramar]

Like the "protection" law and government gave me against my own parents? Oh, right...

I had to take care of myself back then too.

[mainelander]

are you insane? can;t you tell the difference between minor social injustice and being an open target to any other country that wants to take this land?
and don't let the bleeding hearts fool you the rest of the world is into conquest too.

[TKramar]

And when was the last time our military was used to defend our own nation? World War II? Even then, they couldn't have mounted a large enough invasion force to really have an effect.

Any "invasion" we've had to our country, we've PERMITTED. Our borders are porous, but our military isn't there repelling said invasion.

[mainelander]

you do understand what it means to dissuade such actions by merely existing right?

[TKramar]

I merely exist, and while I have been attacked before, it's not something that's happened often...since I got out of high school, anyhow. It's happened a few times, and I've always managed to take care of it without help.

[mainelander]

i give up.