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Old 09-03-2009, 11:26 AM
 
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Our system of government is based on the social contract. Jefferson stated that, "governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..." My question is, when did you sign this social contract? Do you still have a copy?
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:02 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Our system of government is based on the social contract. Jefferson stated that, "governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..." My question is, when did you sign this social contract? Do you still have a copy?
To me it is not a formal form you signed. I forgot the philosopher that brought up that political expression, Lock? If I recall correctly it simply means that since we live as societies there are implied compromises so we can live in as best a harmonious life as possible thus the social contract. It is an implied contract in my own words

This social contract in my opinion does keep changing as we as a society change just as Jefferson also wrote thus laws may change to keep up with us. This contract will never satisfy every single citizen because each one of us will demand things from our government and our fellow citizens others will not agree with and vice versa.

You have a great day.
El Amigo
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I wouldn't have signed it if they had given me a chance to read it first. I think it was in with my enlistment papers.
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:14 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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I wouldn't have signed it if they had given me a chance to read it first. I think it was in with my enlistment papers.
LOL!! I've been signing a contract with the Army the last 31 years, a few rough spots there that I have had to compromise with.

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El Amigo
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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When I joined the Navy and went to Viet-nam. I added a codicle when I was on the boats around the Mekong Delta.

AFAK - the government has been breaking this contract ever since. It burned it up when Ronnie Raygun was dictator. It didn't bother to ask me about the fire.
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:51 PM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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When I joined the Navy and went to Viet-nam. I added a codicle when I was on the boats around the Mekong Delta.

AFAK - the government has been breaking this contract ever since. It burned it up when Ronnie Raygun was dictator. It didn't bother to ask me about the fire.
Weird. I didn't know Reagan was a dictator.
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Me neither. I didn't think senile old people with Alzheimer's were even CAPABLE of being dictators...though the power behind the throne probably pushed some agendas it shouldn't have. Like the October Surprise.
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Old 09-03-2009, 01:47 PM
 
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Our system of government is based on the social contract. Jefferson stated that, "governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..." My question is, when did you sign this social contract? Do you still have a copy?
Here have a copy John Locke's Second Treatise of Government:
Locke's Second Treatise - Table of Contents

Or if the life of man is brutal and short then have a copy of Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan

The Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes


According to Locke, the social contract has been broken in many ways. The contract can be terminated.
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Old 09-03-2009, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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No signature necessary. It's the principle that if you use it, you agree by doing so to its terms. Aka "TOS"---Terms of Service.

The notion of the social contract implies that the people give up some rights to a government or other authority in order to receive or maintain social order.

If you accept the social order, such acceptance constitutes agreement to surrender some rights.
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Old 09-03-2009, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I am unwilling to be governed. And I see no "benefits" that I would ask to use.
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