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Old 04-08-2010, 10:34 PM
 
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"If all the grain currently fed to livestock in the United States were consumed directly by people, the number of people who could be fed would be nearly 800 million," David Pimentel, professor of ecology in Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, reported at the July 24-26 meeting of the Canadian Society of Animal Science in Montreal. Or, if those grains were exported, it would boost the U.S. trade balance by $80 billion a year, Pimentel estimated.

Cornell Science News: Livestock Production

So, if you take all of the grain spent on cattle farming now, you'd feed 800 million people. We have 300 million in the states now. Thats enough food, more than twice over, than every man woman and child in the states.

Read it for yourself.
Name one person in their right mind who would want to live on a diet of corn. How many Fritos can you eat? Corn is ok for what it is, but it is a tiny part of a diet. If all you had to eat was corn, you might was well be dead.

No, the best use for most of the corn grown is as animal feed. Some is good for Fritos, some for popcorn, but that is a tiny amount.

Beef, it is what's for dinner.

OnoAhiMahi
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Old 04-08-2010, 10:37 PM
 
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I don't even know what a waked out nutcase lib is so I can't even begin to answer your question
Sorry to hear you are so uninformed. Stick with me, and I'll bring you up to speed.

BTW (that's "By the Way", BTW) a wacked out nutcase lib is somebody like Obama or Pelosi or Reid. They are wacked-out, they are nutcases and they are liberals.

Focus on the individual words and gleaning the meaning from each one and then assembling the though as you go. You'll get it after a while.

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Old 04-08-2010, 10:42 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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I have recently changed my diet. I have ruled out red meat of any kind, with the exception of one day a week.

Now, before I start getting called a Marxist, I don't want to mandate that everyone eats healthy. Its a free country, and if you want to kill yourself by eating steak every night, so be it.

My inspiration for changing my diet, came from Clint Eastwood. I watched his biography the other day, and he was asked what the secret to his longevity was. (Come on, the man is in his 80's, and still going strong, and looks great) He said part of it was exercise, but the rest was that he doesn't eat red meat, hardly at all. Once or twice a year he will eat a small steak, but thats it.

Part of my decision also, was because I know whats in hamburger. Especially the crappy ones that cost a dollar at McDonalds and Burger King. Its not meat you're eating, its spinal cord, and connective tissue, and muscle from parts of the body you wouldn't dream of eating. And even the steak you get at the grocers is so packed full of steroids and antibiotics its crazy.

I was raised to believe that you are supposed to eat "meat and potatoes" at every meal. However, this was an ideal because we though rich folks ate like that. However, thats not really true either. Most nobleman and women that we working class looked up to, ate fish, poultry, and various other animals. (by poultry, I mean birds in general, not just chicken)

So why is this still seen as "normal" by society? Its not a normal diet for humans, its part of our obesity problem, and other health issues.

I have dropped, no crap, 10lbs in three weeks of eating a steak once a week. I only eat fish, chicken, and pork most of the time. I have substituted cattle burger, for turkey burger, and I honestly can't taste the difference.

Is it time our doctors start telling us to cut down on the cow? Is it time that we celebrate with a tuna steak, instead of a T-bone?

Again, I'm not saying we should make people eat healthy. It just seems to me that our society expects people to eat unhealthy, because its some kind of status symbol.
Whatever red meat I eat is grass-fed, all natural, no hormones, no antibiotics, no chemicals. You would be ASTOUNDED how much different it makes you feel. Not that heavy - "just ate a bowling ball" feeling like you get after eating grocery-store crap. I have been cutting down dramatically. Ideally, one day I will not eat any meat at all, but it is a hard, hard habit to break. LOL

You can't push eating on people. They have to figure it out for themselves.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 04-09-2010, 05:58 AM
 
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I like venison. I'm sure the deer I eat was eating shrubs and bark and drinking from the purest of pure water on a snow covered landscape. Of course, the shrubs and bark are possibly covered in animal urine. And the water from which the deer is drinking (as well as the water feeding the plants it eats) is contaminated with all sorts of chemicals (Prozac, Viagra, etc). Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
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Old 04-09-2010, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Name one person in their right mind who would want to live on a diet of corn. How many Fritos can you eat? Corn is ok for what it is, but it is a tiny part of a diet. If all you had to eat was corn, you might was well be dead.

No, the best use for most of the corn grown is as animal feed. Some is good for Fritos, some for popcorn, but that is a tiny amount.

Beef, it is what's for dinner.

OnoAhiMahi
You really don't know anything about food, so you should just be quiet.

Probably 90% of the food you eat, on a daily basis has corn products in it.

Corn is used to make almost everything. And corn was just one example. Other crops, like soy, and several others also have a higher yield than beef.

Just do some research. Honestly, you sound like my grandparents. You give an initial gut reaction, with little to no thought behind it. This is a great debate, and generally, people would like to see an informed decision, not just an uneducated gut reaction.
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:38 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I’m profoundly offended that potatoes were lumped into the same category with steak on the original post. What’s up with that? Are you a potatophobe? Potatoes are very wholesome.

And the rest of you please lay off from corn. There is NOTHING wrong with corn. It’s also a wholesome food.

My diet consists mainly of lots of oats (lots of oats), potatoes, grains, rice, corn, and breads… and a minimum of meats, vegetables, and almost NO fruit. That’s the way it’s been and that’s the way it stays. I’d rather spend a life eating the things I can stand to eat, rather than gaining a few years of life eating foods I can’t stand to swallow. I still get around just fine and am fairly fit--I'll bet I could beat many of you in a marathon, even though I eat potatoes.

As for the great debate aspect of the thread, tell me what ancient man ate, primarily? Answer: there is no general answer! It is completely climactically and geographically dependent. There are cultures who survive to this day that traditionally only ate meat—that’s all they had. From what I’ve read about the matter, man is traditionally somewhat of a scavenger, eating anything that they could eat. I don't think you'll find one historic culture that we would consider as having had a completely 'balanced diet.'
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Old 04-09-2010, 09:23 AM
 
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I don't see what this htread is about we already have changed what were normal eating habitsd;look around next time at the store.
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Old 04-10-2010, 10:49 AM
 
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You really don't know anything about food, so you should just be quiet.

Probably 90% of the food you eat, on a daily basis has corn products in it.

Corn is used to make almost everything. And corn was just one example. Other crops, like soy, and several others also have a higher yield than beef.

Just do some research. Honestly, you sound like my grandparents. You give an initial gut reaction, with little to no thought behind it. This is a great debate, and generally, people would like to see an informed decision, not just an uneducated gut reaction.
Youar words show the world who and what you are, and it isn't pretty. You presume that the poster knows nothing about food, which is inane to say the lease.

Does oatmeal contain corn, or pasta, or mushroom soup, or King crab, clam chowder, or potatoes?

Underlying a bunch of these "debates" is an undercurrent of trying to reduce people's freedom under the masqurade of legitimate debate.

Go eat corn if you want, knock yourself out. Eat corn meal mush, fritos, doritos and even popcorn. Me, I'll eat an occasional ear of corn, but as you say, corn is in a lot of products and the most important product that has corn in it, at least for me, is BEEF.
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Old 04-10-2010, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Youar words show the world who and what you are, and it isn't pretty. You presume that the poster knows nothing about food, which is inane to say the lease.

Does oatmeal contain corn, or pasta, or mushroom soup, or King crab, clam chowder, or potatoes?

Underlying a bunch of these "debates" is an undercurrent of trying to reduce people's freedom under the masqurade of legitimate debate.

Go eat corn if you want, knock yourself out. Eat corn meal mush, fritos, doritos and even popcorn. Me, I'll eat an occasional ear of corn, but as you say, corn is in a lot of products and the most important product that has corn in it, at least for me, is BEEF.
I don't care if people eat beef. If you read back, through the entire thread, you read that the poster I referred to constantly went out of his way to make claims, with no evidence at all to back them up.

Stating his opinion as fact, does not make it so.

His last statement that "most food doesn't contain corn" is wrong. Almost everything today has some kind of high fructose corn syrup in it. Thus, most foods do have corn in it. Yes, even oatmeal, and several of the other things you listed.

If this thread got off track, from what your personal standards of "Great Debate" are, its because people with uninformed decisions decided to try and dominate a thread, with no evidence. I provided evidence disproving everyone of those outlandish claims, and they were ignored. That to me, is not a Great Debate.

If you read my OP, I did not say I want legislation forcing those to eat specific foods. I think a tax may be a good idea, but not forcing anyone to do so.
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Old 04-10-2010, 06:37 PM
 
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I really fail to see whats wrong with eating Red meat iv been eating tons of it for years and feel fine.. Also seems to be lots and lots of real HEALTH FREAKS on these forums like get realll its not that bad for you. Your probably one of them people that say drinking water out of the tap is bad for you and drink only bottled water LOL.
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