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Not to belabor the point, but have I said anything that would appear to place me among the proponents of mandatory drug testing for welfare recipients?
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Should public assistance be cut off or disallowed to any person who fails a mandatory drug test? Would such a plan create more problems than it solves?
And I was asking you to clarify whether failing a test would affect more than just the person taking it. It would help if you'd make yourself more clear to begin with, perhaps by initially taking a side -- so that people would know what they're actually trying to debate -- rather than by asking a rather generalized question.
The general pervasive problem with the posture of the welfare abolitionists, is that they do not exhibit a care in the world about the children of those people who, for whatever reason, fall on hard times due to their own "lack of personal responsibility".
It is true that Medicaid has a separate program that is applicable only to children, however Medicaid also provides relief for eligible childless adults who have no means of health insurance.
Unemployment is an unrelated issue. Unemployment is an insurance plan, into which premiums are paid, in part by the worker, which then pays out a settlement in the event of a casualty, which in this case, is loss of work. Should an auto insurer refuse to pay for the damage if a guy has an accident, and then plans to use his settlement money to buy drugs instead of repair his car?
For gosh sakes !
Workers do not pay into unemployment insurance
The employer is assessed the cost based on the hazards of the occupation of his workers and the history/frequency of his workers drawing it.
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Should public assistance be cut off or disallowed to any person who fails a mandatory drug test? Would such a plan create more problems than it solves?
Would it simply drive a stake into a monster, but miss the heart?
The war on drugs does nothing to reduce drug use, it simply inflates the cost of drug marketing, with public welfare paying the increment. But then, the billionaire drug lords are spending their money, on bling and real estate and maybe even equities, putting it back into the economy, and the collapse of the illegal drug trade could itself trigger a recession.
If we took all drug users off welfare, they would need to get their money elsewhere, and unless our economy magically creates 20 or 30 million new jobs and hires the chronically irresponsible to do them, they will then have to use criminal means to get the money to live on, not even counting the money to buy inflated underworld drugs. So the response is for everyone to arm himself against these desperate people, and kill them by the millions when they attack, finally pouring boiling oil on them when they cross the moat. How does that advance the principle of civilization?
Im not against anyone needing help but there is a point when it has to stop. I know a few lazy people who use the system. Having their rent paid, getting welfare and the kids are in school fulltime and yet have money for drugs. Of course I get mad. If your on doctor perscribed medicine that shouldnt count against you. But yea give drug test to people who want to be on assistance.. But who is going to pay for it..Us tax payers?? But will that help..Maybe maybe not but it sure helped for some woman I know who had her daughter pee for her so she could pass the drug test..
To many people being on welfare is sufficient grounds for dismissal from the society because it is an admission of blatant failure to be a hard working, sober and productive citizen. This is a corollary to the attitude that anyone that has to work for money because they cannot live off the family investments is another form of failure.
To many people being on welfare is sufficient grounds for dismissal from the society because it is an admission of blatant failure to be a hard working, sober and productive citizen. This is a corollary to the attitude that anyone that has to work for money because they cannot live off the family investments is another form of failure.
When someone gets welfare, there darned better be " strings attatched"
Some posters ask who is gonna pay for the drug test?
The same government who has no trouble paying for those generous welfare benefits !
What if a person"s test always comes back positive for alcohol? can welfare recipients have beer?
If it comes back positive for cocaine is the state obliged to prosecute them for illegal drug use? what do you think it will cost the state to incarcerate everyone who test positive? while we are at it lets drug test students who get federal student aid. Since only poor people are suspicious of being drug users, lets drug test the homeless. we can have the IRS flag tax returns from people who are at or below the poverty line and drug test them too. Federal Stimulus payments, Test 'em,. You have to have a precedent for assuming welfare recipients are druggies and it has to stand up against "Equal protection Under the Law" That means you have to test every one who is either receiving federal government checks or within certain income limits...... Unless we want to be North Korea, or China, then what the hell we can just shoot people for being lazy and poor....That I might go for!
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To many people being on welfare is sufficient grounds for dismissal from the society because it is an admission of blatant failure to be a hard working, sober and productive citizen. This is a corollary to the attitude that anyone that has to work for money because they cannot live off the family investments is another form of failure.
It is a substitute for the unattractive admission of the blatant failure of our economy to generate an additional 20-30-million jobs for every hard working, sober and produtive citizen. And even worse, the admission of the shamefully haughty attitude that those for whom the tycoons fail or refuse to generate a job, have no right to dignity or respect.
When we have underemployment, nobody asks the tycoons to create work for them. Instead, the government is criticized for filling in the vacuum left by the moguls.
Relevant to the topic, it is not necessarily so that a drug addict cannot get a job. In many cases, it's the reverse. A person who can't get a job becomes a drug addict.
We should not subsidize people buying /using things that are illegal
Disagree. We should not subsidize people buying things that are not necessary. Shaniqua doesn't need black and milds as bad as her baby needs milk. Billybob doesn't need chaw as bad as his son needs bread and juice.
What costs too much money? What are you talking about?
Drug tests cost too much money. You didn't get that from what I wrote?
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Is it an invasion of privacy to run a blood alcohol test on a motorist who has just caused an accident?
What's wrong with a breathalyzer? Anyway, this is different because the hypothetical motorist has just caused an accident.
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Is it an invasion of privacy to ask a welfare recipient if he owns a second house in the country, or drives a Range Rover, or if those are really her children?
These are only questions, very different than taking someone's bodily fluids and examining them.
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