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You are saying the societies that have the cleanest environment are able to do so by allowing other countries to take the pollution hit for them and by selling polluting type forms of energy they do not use for themselves?
I do hope China starts to clean up its air it does seem they realize they have to . And it is time we stopped talking about green energy and started to live it. And yes we can be greedy with energy consumptions. We all need to be more aware of what we are using and find ways to cut back.
For instance Florida gets a large amount of rain each year and yet there is talk of a water shortage. Perhaps if people didn't think they need to water their lawns 24/7 all year long we would not have a shortage?
There is NO such thing as TRUE green energy, think about it....
Maybe Florida needs to build more lakes.....
If anyone is watering their lawn 24/7 it would kill the lawn....
Pollution is an accepted, to some, way for a business to externalize the costs of production or living thus maximizing profit and reducing taxation. The major failure of out international trade agreements was they allow the foreigners to manufacture at lower costs because they severely pollute the environment. They use that savings to undercut domestic manufacturers that have to internalize that costs.
If our politicians had any courage they would require importers to meet our environmental standards or pay an import tax of at least 150% of the cost differential created by lax environmental standards. FWIW - This tariff should also eliminate the differences created by low wages and government subsidy.
Are you talking about that "sucking sound " mentioned by Ross Perot when he ran for president? How many countries has the US polluted by going there and not caring what they did or how they did it?
There is NO such thing as TRUE green energy, think about it....
Maybe Florida needs to build more lakes.....
If anyone is watering their lawn 24/7 it would kill the lawn....
Well 24/7 may be an exaggeration but many come pretty close. They certainly do it much more than they need to .
A true green energy is something like passive solar. The knowledge of how to build a house to take advantage of the sun's rays to heat it naturally not to mention how to naturally cool it as well. It is mostly a lost art I think. Few homebuilders these days know or care .
This is a very interesting thread. It seems the first world countries created much of the pollution and over use of natural resources. Now they want the emerging economies of 2nd and 3rd world countries to do as they say and not as they did. Just how do tariffs solve the problem? Is the tariff money going back to the country to help it lower the pollution it creates?
Are you referring to the global welfare(or wealth redistribution if you wish) that is part of climate change discussions? Basically you take money from wealthy nations like the US and hand it over to third world nations. In return they decimate their emerging economies by not using fossil fuels.
You are saying the societies that have the cleanest environment are able to do so by allowing other countries to take the pollution hit for them and by selling polluting type forms of energy they do not use for themselves?
I do hope China starts to clean up its air it does seem they realize they have to . And it is time we stopped talking about green energy and started to live it. And yes we can be greedy with energy consumptions. We all need to be more aware of what we are using and find ways to cut back.
For instance Florida gets a large amount of rain each year and yet there is talk of a water shortage. Perhaps if people didn't think they need to water their lawns 24/7 all year long we would not have a shortage?
I would rather qualify the environments as less dirty, none are really clean unless we consider some of the native peoples who are more or less subjected to pollution rather than significant contributors to it.
I mean think about how much more pollution we'd be emitting if all the manufacturing and industrial capacity remained in the USA. We own a lot of that pollution in China, they aren't making all those goods for domestic consumption and we could choose to keep the manufacturing here, we just want cheap prices.
Are you referring to the global welfare(or wealth redistribution if you wish) that is part of climate change discussions? Basically you take money from wealthy nations like the US and hand it over to third world nations. In return they decimate their emerging economies by not using fossil fuels.
Redistribution of wealth does little except reduce the prosperity of achievers and give money to the people who think they are entitled to it.
We have a nice clean looking Apple campus, sleek buildings all over Silicon Valley yet most of the products they design are made in China or elsewhere. Take a look at the air quality of Silicon Valley back some years ago before the huge shift of manufacturing to China and then add what it would be like if all those nifty e-gadgets were being made in the USA. Now of course, we slam China and other countries because we off-loaded the pollution creation to them and somehow thing we aren't part of the cause?
If you are buying large format TVs, get a new phone every year, and consume consume consume, that all comes with a cost and someone has to pay it.
Right on point as usual Knife!
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There has to be another source of energy and unless we get serious about it with more than big banner solar and wind cheerleading all we're doing is compressing the time we have to look at alternatives to the dreams that can't match current let alone future energy needs.
We already have that called nuclear enegy,just need to build more!
For instance Florida gets a large amount of rain each year and yet there is talk of a water shortage. Perhaps if people didn't think they need to water their lawns 24/7 all year long we would not have a shortage?
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"lawn watering is using all our resources".
Come on.
In actuality amounts to less than 5% ....
California is proud that they are using laws and regulations to keep their air clean, to the point they are driving business and industry from California.
Then California should be the cleanest state, especially due to the fact they sit along the ocean for hundreds of miles so there is no pollution moving into the state from the West.
Then what I don't understand, is why then is California the most polluted state, with the most polluted cities in the country. Out of the 5 most polluted cities in the entire country the 5 most polluted are in California.
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