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Old 06-22-2020, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Potential announcement this week on lifting quarantine.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/...ed-quarantine/

 
Old 06-22-2020, 04:06 PM
 
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Potential announcement this week on lifting quarantine.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/...ed-quarantine/
Interesting. Might be workable once testing is something close to readily available. I have not heard of any place where some one (unless they are celebrity/athlete/politician) can just ask for and get a test to prove they are negative. Seems still to be largely restricted to people suspected of being positive.
 
Old 06-22-2020, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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New study suggests there were 8.7 million cases in the US alone in March (as of today, we still only report 2.3 million cases in total). Now add up April and May and the death rate/hospitalization rates start falling dramatically

https://eurekalert.org/pub_releases/...-iis062220.php

The findings support a scenario where more than 8.7 million new SARS-CoV-2 infections appeared in the U.S. during March, and estimate that more than 80% of these cases remained unidentified as the outbreak rapidly spread.
 
Old 06-22-2020, 04:22 PM
 
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New study suggests there were 8.7 million cases in the US alone in March (as of today, we still only report 2.3 million cases in total). Now add up April and May and the death rate/hospitalization rates start falling dramatically

https://eurekalert.org/pub_releases/...-iis062220.php

The findings support a scenario where more than 8.7 million new SARS-CoV-2 infections appeared in the U.S. during March, and estimate that more than 80% of these cases remained unidentified as the outbreak rapidly spread.
And we shut down our entire economy for a virus with a death rate slightly higher than the seasonal flu. We all listened to the government to wear masks, isolate ourselves, place ourselves under house arrest, shut our businesses down without a fight. Now the government knows exactly how easily controlled we are.
 
Old 06-22-2020, 05:40 PM
 
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And we shut down our entire economy for a virus with a death rate slightly higher than the seasonal flu. We all listened to the government to wear masks, isolate ourselves, place ourselves under house arrest, shut our businesses down without a fight. Now the government knows exactly how easily controlled we are.
I have no problem with you concern about shutting down the economy. But, I am not sure how many times you have to corrected with actual facts before you will drop this notion that Covid-19 and flu death rates are even close to each other.

Even if you accept the 8.7M estimate, with 120k deaths that is death rate of about 1.4%. The seasonal flu has a death rate that is about an order of magnitude less than that.

You can make the first argument with the second. It just weakens your case when you distort the data.
 
Old 06-22-2020, 05:48 PM
 
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And we shut down our entire economy for a virus with a death rate slightly higher than the seasonal flu. We all listened to the government to wear masks, isolate ourselves, place ourselves under house arrest, shut our businesses down without a fight. Now the government knows exactly how easily controlled we are.
You also might want to consider the fact that the number of deaths so far is several times that of the seasonal flu even AFTER we all took such extraordinary measures. What do you suppose would have happened if we had done nothing? I would venture then you might have realized that this is not a run of the mill flu virus.

It would be like having a bullet stopped by a Kevlar vest and then saying, see I didn't die, why did we bother spending all that money on the Kevlar vest?
 
Old 06-22-2020, 05:51 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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And we shut down our entire economy for a virus with a death rate slightly higher than the seasonal flu. We all listened to the government to wear masks, isolate ourselves, place ourselves under house arrest, shut our businesses down without a fight. Now the government knows exactly how easily controlled we are.
Lol. This is new? And the government isn’t even a big fraction of the control issue. Corporate control has long been the masters of not only the consumer public, but of the government ... and the money changers and handlers have been masters of those masters.

People have never been free ... except in small numbers during years of frontier expansions. And we do it ourselves: slaves to materialism and illusions of security.

Meh. It’s not a bad life anyway. I’m happy as a clam at high tide in the middle of it.
 
Old 06-22-2020, 05:54 PM
 
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You also might want to consider the fact that the number of deaths so far is several times that of the seasonal flu even AFTER we all took such extraordinary measures. What do you suppose would have happened if we had done nothing? I would venture then you might have realized that this is not a run of the mill flu virus.

It would be like having a bullet stopped by a Kevlar vest and then saying, see I didn't die, why did we bother spending all that money on the Kevlar vest?
Not all those deaths are solely contributed to C19. Even so, the death rate is still around .2%. Rather than 1 out of a thousand who die from the seasonal flu, 2 out of a thousand infected with C19 are dying.
 
Old 06-22-2020, 05:58 PM
 
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Lol. This is new? And the government isn’t even a big fraction of the control issue. Corporate control has long been the masters of not only the consumer public, but of the government ... and the money changers and handlers have been masters of those masters.

People have never been free ... except in small numbers during years of frontier expansions. And we do it ourselves: slaves to materialism and illusions of security.

Meh. It’s not a bad life anyway. I’m happy as a clam at high tide in the middle of it.
Lmao. If you think a corporation wields more power than the government, you have been sadly fooled. It’s the government that picks winners and losers. It’s the government who has the bottomless purse. This is why we are no longer a free market system, but rather a corporatist economy. Government can crush any corporation at will. Don’t be so naive.
 
Old 06-22-2020, 06:10 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Lmao. If you think a corporation wields more power than the government, you have been sadly fooled. It’s the government that picks winners and losers. It’s the government who has the bottomless purse. This is why we are no longer a free market system, but rather a corporatist economy. Government can crush any corporation at will. Don’t be so naive.
Sorry hoss. You’ve got it entirely bassackwards. Corporate world runs the government. Remember the great Republican general / POTUS Dwight D Eisenhower? (Well, I’m old enough. I do.) When he left office in 1961 his farewell speech included: “beware the military-industrial complex” ... smart man, Dwight.
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