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Just wondering if you chose not to vaccinate and your child contracted HPV later in life, how would you feel? Do you think your child would be angry at you?
The debate is impossible to have since either "side" will simply rely upon an outside set of experts that agree with their opinion. Hence, anyone's ability to prove their case convincingly to the other side rests on the other side accepting the credibility of the proposed experts. Since we have already well established that the "pro" camps experts are "big pharma shills" and the "con" camps experts are "quacks"; there will never be agreement. The entire discussion is basically people stating where their personal position is on the matter and which experts they find credible.
True, but one question I repeatedly ask is yet to be answered. Do people honestly believe that pediatricians, microbiologists, virologists, bacteriologists, pharmacologists, infectious disease specialists, community health nurses, etc., etc., in 200 countries are all ensconced in some global shenanigans aka "big pharma"? Do they have conferences, a secret hand-shake, a "big pharma" wink? If peer reviewed research conducted in Helsinki or Soweto reaches the same conclusions, have they all checked in with the mothership first before publishing their findings? How does this work?
The debate is impossible to have since either "side" will simply rely upon an outside set of experts that agree with their opinion. Hence, anyone's ability to prove their case convincingly to the other side rests on the other side accepting the credibility of the proposed experts. Since we have already well established that the "pro" camps experts are "big pharma shills" and the "con" camps experts are "quacks"; there will never be agreement. The entire discussion is basically people stating where their personal position is on the matter and which experts they find credible.
I can't rep you again, but this times a million.
It's hard for those middle-of-the-roaders like me... I see the benefits of vaccines and my kids have gotten most of them on a delayed/spaced out schedule. (They're actually going to be getting their varicellas this month; I had wanted them to get CP, but they didn't and they're going into puberty, so now it's time for the vaccination.) However, I also tread cautiously and don't jump on every new vaccine that pops up. I'm definitely one who scrutinizes those information sheets and thinks about it a lot and talks to the pediatrician about each one at length. So when I read, "all vaccines are a government plot to control the children and kill us off," or "there are no side effects to vaccines; anyone not getting their kid every single one is a moron," it just makes me roll my eyes. I can definitely see it both ways (without all of the extremism on either side), and I think it's something that parents should consider carefully, with the input of a trusted medical professional. And contrary to popular belief, not all doctors are 100% on the "get 'em everything!" train... my ped has told me which she thinks are most important and which aren't as necessary.
Getting the vaccination increases a person's immunity down the road.
Imagine how devastated you would feel if you refused to vaccinate your daughter, she waited until marriage to have sex (which is what you wanted) and ultimately ends up with cancer because her husband carried the HPV virus?
I really don't like the whole "cancer vaccine" thing. It actually protects against an STD that may, in some cases, turn into cancer. It doesn't prevent all, most, or a good number of cancers. It protects against some strains of HPV. When the nurse at my ped's office brought it up, she said, "oh, you son should have his meningitis vaccine and his cancer vaccine." Is that what medical professionals are trained to say now?
I think it was inappropriate to call it a cancer vaccine.
However I think the link between HPV and some cancers should absolutely be stressed.
It is also now implicated in oral cancer. I'm not sure everyone is aware of that, and they should be.
True, but one question I repeatedly ask is yet to be answered. Do people honestly believe that pediatricians, microbiologists, virologists, bacteriologists, pharmacologists, infectious disease specialists, community health nurses, etc., etc., in 200 countries are all ensconced in some global shenanigans aka "big pharma"? Do they have conferences, a secret hand-shake, a "big pharma" wink? If peer reviewed research conducted in Helsinki or Soweto reaches the same conclusions, have they all checked in with the mothership first before publishing their findings? How does this work?
I'm not sure. Probably because I'm on your "side" of the debate and can't imagine the leaps one needs to make to ignore what you just pointed out. I spend a lot of time in the history forum and many of these vaccine threads end up sounding just like an off-shoot of the conspiracy theorists and deniers that plague the history forum on occasion. Do these people honestly think that pharmaceutical companies have enough power to make the entire world's medical community do their bidding and that the only holdouts are a brave bunch of doctors with websites hawking herbal supplements?
Just wondering if you chose not to vaccinate and your child contracted HPV later in life, how would you feel? Do you think your child would be angry at you?
They can get the vaccine up until 26. Plenty of time to do their own research and get it themselves.
Getting the vaccination increases a person's immunity down the road.
Imagine how devastated you would feel if you refused to vaccinate your daughter, she waited until marriage to have sex (which is what you wanted) and ultimately ends up with cancer because her husband carried the HPV virus?
It's not about sex, it is about HEALTH.
I don't think anyone here HAS said that it's about sex.
The vaccine can be given up to the age of 26. There is no reason that everyone needs to jump on giving their kid the shot at 9, 10, 11 years old if they are not comfortable doing so. There are a lot of years left.
I don't think anyone here HAS said that it's about sex.
The vaccine can be given up to the age of 26. There is no reason that everyone needs to jump on giving their kid the shot at 9, 10, 11 years old if they are not comfortable doing so. There are a lot of years left.
MAYBE. IF it does not turn out that the child becomes sexually active young unbeknownst to Mom and Dad. You know SOMEBODY is doing it. It is risky to assume it's not my kid.
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