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Old 12-21-2017, 04:10 PM
 
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The top half of the list are actually common side effects. That doesn't mean that everyone will have them of course but they are listed as common side effects.

I'm not one of the people arguing against choice and for stricter regulations. I think you should be able to have all of the peanuts, Wellbutrin, wheat, homeopathic, supplements, etc. that you and your healthcare providers (both traditional and alternative) feel are best. I don't think anyone including the FDA should have more say in those decisions then they already do.
My understanding is that this regulation is not going to say you can’t have it, it’s just going to say that you can’t advertise X homeopathic remedy is going to work to combat a cold or allergy symptoms anymore because there is no scientific evidence that X homeopathic evidence actually does that. That remedy would still be available, but not with the specific label that says it helps to combat a cold or allergy. I know I take a specific supplement for migraines and it is not advertised on the supplement to help migraines, but my physician recommended it.

 
Old 12-21-2017, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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My understanding is that this regulation is not going to say you can’t have it, it’s just going to say that you can’t advertise X homeopathic remedy is going to work to combat a cold or allergy symptoms anymore because there is no scientific evidence that X homeopathic evidence actually does that. That remedy would still be available, but not with the specific label that says it helps to combat a cold or allergy. I know I take a specific supplement for migraines and it is not advertised on the supplement to help migraines, but my physician recommended it.
Yup. That was what I got from the article too.

That and pulling ones testing toxic.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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GOOD GRIEF all this flack about how horrid homeopathics are and the rest of the world thinks the U.S. is crazy with all their prescription drugs.

What does the rest of the world know. U.S. knows it all, right....
 
Old 12-21-2017, 05:17 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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FDA takes on homeopathic drugs.

That's the topic. Cancer discussions belong on the Cancer sub forum.
Political discussions belong in Politics & Other Controversies.
 
Old 12-21-2017, 05:20 PM
 
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Most people who take prescription drugs have no adverse effects from them.

The only one here with a link to pharma is the OP, who is completely transparent about it.

The reason that drugs have side effects is related to biochemistry and physiology. It would be great to have one pill with no side effects that would cure every human malady (or, better yet, prevent them all). It will never happen.

Nirvana does not exist.

The myth of the perfect drug - The Boston Globe



Doctors make every effort to reduce adverse events from prescription drugs. The study from which that 100,000 figure was derived did not separate preventable from no-preventable deaths. For example, a diabetic could die from taking too much insulin, but he could also die from not taking insulin at all. Someone could have a fatal reaction to an antibiotic. Would he have died from the infection if the antibiotic had not been prescribed?

Homeopaths do not collect statistics on failures of their treatments. It's a very easy way to pretend that homeopathy works.



When an unanticipated beneficial effect shows up, the drug can be tested and approved for a new use. That includes hair growth: Rogaine was initially approved for treatment of hypertension, for example.

Thalidomide was a disaster as a treatment for morning sickness because it causes birth defects. It is now used to treat leprosy and multiple myeloma.

Raloxifene is used to reduce the risk of invasive breast cancer in postmenopausal women. It was initially developed to treat osteoporosis.

Clonidine is an antihypertensive that can also help menopausal hot flashes and migraine headaches.

Viagra can not only treat ED, it is used for a condition called pulmonary artery hypertension, to improve blood flow and stave off amputations, and shows promise in conjunction with other meds for prostate cancer.

Propecia, which is used to treat male pattern hair loss, may reduce the risk of getting prostate cancer.

Bimatoprost started as a glaucoma drug. As Latisse, it makes eyelashes grow longer and thicker.

Many other drugs are used "off label" to treat conditions for which they were not initially approved.

Your thesis that drugs only have negative side effects is false.
1. Off label is not the same as side effect. Here's a simple explanation since you don't understand. Side effect are harmful and unwanted effects that the patient is forced to experiences if they take a prescribed drug. Off label use is intentional for a specific purpose to help the patient. A side effect is not. Simple. Not the same. Not comparable. At all. That's why they have two different names.

2. If homeopathy is killing tons of people, where are the statistics? People don't just die with no investigation as to cause. Autopsies are done. Causes are found. And homepoathy isn't one of them.

FDA-approved drugs, however, do kill people. They kill 100,000+ people very year when used exactly as prescribed. So people die when doing EXACTLY what their doctors tell them to do.

And the FDA? Has known for almost 2 decades, hard proof, peer-reviewed journal article published in JAMA, and the FDA does NOTHING about it. When will the FDA be investigated for murder?
 
Old 12-21-2017, 06:04 PM
 
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1. Off label is not the same as side effect. Here's a simple explanation since you don't understand. Side effect are harmful and unwanted effects that the patient is forced to experiences if they take a prescribed drug. Off label use is intentional for a specific purpose to help the patient. A side effect is not. Simple. Not the same. Not comparable. At all. That's why they have two different names.

2. If homeopathy is killing tons of people, where are the statistics? People don't just die with no investigation as to cause. Autopsies are done. Causes are found. And homepoathy isn't one of them.

FDA-approved drugs, however, do kill people. They kill 100,000+ people very year when used exactly as prescribed. So people die when doing EXACTLY what their doctors tell them to do.

And the FDA? Has known for almost 2 decades, hard proof, peer-reviewed journal article published in JAMA, and the FDA does NOTHING about it. When will the FDA be investigated for murder?
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In medicine, a side effect is an effect, whether therapeutic or adverse, that is secondary to the one intended; although the term is predominantly employed to describe adverse effects, it can also apply to beneficial, but unintended, consequences of the use of a drug.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Side_effect

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Old 12-21-2017, 06:06 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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FDA takes on homeopathic drugs

AGAIN, that is the topic. More posts have been deleted and infractions will be issued if people do not stay on topic.

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Old 12-21-2017, 06:41 PM
 
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All the blind faith on conventional medicine is backed up by nothing but the studies they themselves fund. I prefer to take my chances with natural and homeopathy medicine.

Here is what the fda have to say:

Interviewer:: As commissioner of the fda you can't tell us sitting here now that every drug being used in the U.S. is safe and effective?
fda commissioner: No, I really cannot.

How hypocritical!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsph4WzU-v0

Last edited by thelogo; 12-21-2017 at 06:52 PM..
 
Old 12-22-2017, 05:08 AM
 
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Any company that claims their products cure any disease or condition should be scrutinized by the FDA.

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Old 12-22-2017, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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My understanding is that this regulation is not going to say you can’t have it, it’s just going to say that you can’t advertise X homeopathic remedy is going to work to combat a cold or allergy symptoms anymore because there is no scientific evidence that X homeopathic evidence actually does that. That remedy would still be available, but not with the specific label that says it helps to combat a cold or allergy. I know I take a specific supplement for migraines and it is not advertised on the supplement to help migraines, but my physician recommended it.

Can you argue with this,jaminhealth ?
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