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Old 03-20-2020, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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In the wild, in nature; the old, weak and sick are the first to die. The gene pool then gets strengthened.

We humans are no exception. Why are we messing with what we can't conquer?
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Old 03-20-2020, 01:29 PM
 
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We are not in nature. We are in civilization, big difference. We are not killing and eating each other. We are not killing the old and the weak to strengthen the gene pool. We humans are an exception. We have mitigated the effects of illness and disease in many ways through medicine. Illnesses that were fatal a few decades ago are now survivable and can be managed for years. We can't conquer death, but we can prolong life.
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Old 03-20-2020, 01:58 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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In the wild, in nature; the old, weak and sick are the first to die. The gene pool then gets strengthened.

We humans are no exception. Why are we messing with what we can't conquer?
IMHO the response to Covid-19 isn't intending to eradicate it (that's impossible...its now out there until if/when it mutates further), but manage it so it doesn't overwhelm the social systems humans use. If we don't attempt to manage the course of disease, spread out the peak, it will create secondary health crises and compound the worldwide problem in much uglier ways.

Believe me, I appreciate what you are saying about allowing the weak and sick to be culled in order to keep a population stronger. Problem is, we don't have any idea whether allowing this virus to thin the herd will select for a healthier population. Everyone's in kneejerk reaction mode. Not much long range thinking going on. Right now the virus is supposedly "novel" enough to Homo sapiens that it doesn't suit its host very well. It kills indiscriminately; healthy as well as weak. A successful "educated" virus doesn't kill every host. Education takes time. Ironically, by slowing down the cascade of viral transmission we may be buying the virus time.

Then of course there's the problem of demanding that humans subject themselves to a basic law of evolution; allow the sick/weak to be culled for the good of the group. People have had a long history of rejecting eugenics. Don't see that changing anytime soon do you? If you want to volunteer, be my guest. Didn't think so!
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Old 03-20-2020, 03:05 PM
 
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In the wild, in nature; the old, weak and sick are the first to die. The gene pool then gets strengthened.

We humans are no exception. Why are we messing with what we can't conquer?
F* that. I'm old, but I'm not done living yet.

If you want to sacrifice yourself for the good of the human race, step right up.
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Old 03-20-2020, 03:10 PM
 
Location: planet earth
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The OP is saying that what nature does is inevitable - no point in fighting it - as we can see, fighting it isn't working in Italy. Some people with compromised immune systems or underlying health conditions will succumb. That is just what is happening - no need to deny it by fussing over it.

That our healthcare systems can't handle it is another issue all-together.

Everyone should be prepared to die at any time (in theory), because death is inevitable. It is not an abstract "bad thing."
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Old 03-20-2020, 03:11 PM
 
Location: planet earth
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F* that. I'm old, but I'm not done living yet.

If you want to sacrifice yourself for the good of the human race, step right up.
Except that's not up to you to decide, I don't think.

People get sick.

People die.

Even if/when they don't want to.
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Old 03-20-2020, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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Except that's not up to you to decide, I don't think.

People get sick.

People die.

Even if/when they don't want to.
So we should stop sheltering in place and go about our daily business all the while infecting or becoming infected because it's natural? Are you out of your mind?
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Old 03-20-2020, 03:44 PM
 
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Except that's not up to you to decide, I don't think.

People get sick.

People die.

Even if/when they don't want to.

Oh my gawd. I'm not going out in the world and purposely expose myself to a pandemic, and that is certainly up to me to decide.


Lay down and die if you want to, but don't tell me I have to.
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Old 03-20-2020, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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In the wild, in nature; the old, weak and sick are the first to die. The gene pool then gets strengthened.

We humans are no exception. Why are we messing with what we can't conquer?
Don't all animals practice self-defense and self-protection for themselves, their young, and even their "social group"? Why would humans be an exception?!
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Old 03-20-2020, 05:31 PM
 
Location: planet earth
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Don't all animals practice self-defense and self-protection for themselves, their young, and even their "social group"? Why would humans be an exception?!
Animals can't protect anyone from dying, and neither can we (and we ARE animals, which most people forget because of the Bible saying that people have dominion over "animals").
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