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Old 03-23-2020, 07:50 PM
 
Location: West Coast U.S.A.
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In the wild, in nature; the old, weak and sick are the first to die. The gene pool then gets strengthened.

We humans are no exception. Why are we messing with what we can't conquer?
Well, since the coronavirus was brought here on cruise ships and airplanes, which aren't exactly natural, the coronavirus is not a natural event, but instead a man-made one.
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Old 03-23-2020, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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In the wild, in nature; the old, weak and sick are the first to die. The gene pool then gets strengthened.

We humans are no exception. Why are we messing with what we can't conquer?
Well, then don't see a doctor if you get sick.
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Old 03-23-2020, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Texas
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How would removing older people from the population, improve the gene pool? Women beyond early middle age can't reproduce any longer and the opportunities for older men to father children are greatly reduced. But even if all older people could still reproduce, they've demonstrated that they have good levels of strength and health, just by living so long. Some of those who are weak or sick, are that way because they've suffered accidental injuries. That would not reduce the quality that was passed on from their genes. However, it is true that the children who come from older fathers, have a greater incidence of birth defects.
Given just how many older people these days are taking care of their own grandchildren, full time, we're going to have a very serious problem if a lot of them start dying in mass numbers. We need our elderly population to raise the next generation!!!

Almost every other kid at my child's school is being dropped off and picked up by a grandparent. The parents are nowhere in the picture. I've never even met most of my children's friend's parents.
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Old 03-23-2020, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Kaliforneea
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Not necessarily trying to defend the OP here, but it's worth admitting, that our attitude towards the elderly, depends to some extent on whether our own parents/grandparents are alive

yes, those are the same Chuckleheads who argue they shouldnt have to pay Property Taxes because they have no kids in public school.
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Old 03-23-2020, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Kaliforneea
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It's totally unconstitutional and communist for the government to say you can't leave your house. The curfew stupidity going on in NY and CA is unconstitutional.

you can be temporarily inconvenienced for the greater common good. check back in 4 weeks.
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Old 03-23-2020, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Kaliforneea
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I'd rather be a Darwinist than a Marxist.

So better Dead than Red? to quote slogans from 1958
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Old 03-23-2020, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Kaliforneea
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Almost every other kid at my child's school is being dropped off and picked up by a grandparent. The parents are nowhere in the picture.

Perhaps the high-wage earning adult parents leave for work at 6am?
At least those families have the option for grandparents to pickup+dropoff the kids. 3 of my 4 grandparents died before I was born.
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Old 03-23-2020, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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In the wild, in nature; the old, weak and sick are the first to die. The gene pool then gets strengthened.

We humans are no exception. Why are we messing with what we can't conquer?
Because there may be a 10% or so hospitalization rate and we don't want our hospitals flooded if we can avoid it. We'd rather have a recession and lose a bunch of businesses...assuming it doesn't just spread out anyway.

Also, if we don't try to halt its spread, it could mutate and be around for a thousand years and we'll have to think up a new vaccine every year like we do with the flu...and if we just allow it to spread society's panic could result in the same types of business closings and recession we're experiencing now anyway.
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Old 03-24-2020, 12:25 AM
 
Location: moved
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Because there may be a 10% or so hospitalization rate and we don't want our hospitals flooded if we can avoid it. We'd rather have a recession and lose a bunch of businesses...assuming it doesn't just spread out anyway.
The flooding of hospitals, is a cost. A recession/depression induced by shutdown-orders, is also a cost. We have to balance these two costs. The answer is not obvious.

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Also, if we don't try to halt its spread, it could mutate and be around for a thousand years and we'll have to think up a new vaccine every year like we do with the flu...
The virus may mutate in a manner that actually weakens it. Evidently this is quite common. Or an entirely new strain of virus might arise out of nowhere, just as happened with this particular virus. The point is, that whatever happens, is orthogonal to our response. It isn't consequent from our response. We may, as a society, make stupid and harmful decisions, but the virus goes away anyway. Or we may make scientifically sound and principled decisions, but the virus would still refuse to go away. We just don't know.
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Old 03-24-2020, 12:33 AM
 
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sorry Marylee, I had to laugh because it sounds like something my mother would say. lol

But no, I believe in technology improving quality of life so that people don't have to slither around like a slug. Congrats on your ankle fusions and knee replacements. I wonder if you were a runner? I love running but also value my joints so am conscious of the impacts.
No, I was never a runner. My joint destruction was due to a disease process, not a mechanical wear-and-tear process. I first got RA when I was 21, and no, I was not fat, and I was not a lazy slob. I was quite fit, actually, when the disease first struck. I'm now 65, and, just do the best I can
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