12-16-2016, 08:03 AM
Location: Houston/Brenham
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I dribbled hot coffee down the front of my shirt hearing this. What is going on? Did anyone else hear this news about BP's relocation and its opinion that Denver will become the new global center for energy?
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I'm sure it wouldn't happen over night if they are right. See, the argument is that the nation is transitioning from being a major oil importer to that of an exporter of it. This transition will cause a shifting of the industry away from Houston eventually to elsewhere.
Look, I get it that you are trying to bad-news Houston, but at least get your facts straight. One small division, with less than 5% of BP's American workforce, is relocating to Denver because almost all of their work is in that area. That's it.
BP is a monster in off-shore oil. They just announced a multi-billion dollar new project in the Gulf. All that is based in Houston. They also have a small onshore drilling division, based in Houston, but with 75% of their work in the Rockies. They decided to move it to Denver, to cut down on travel expenses. End of story.
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Indeed, I remember reading that there is 300 years of oil reserves trapped in the rock around Denver.
And there is 2,000 years of easier-to-get-to oil in the Permian.
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gwarnecke
This move is a bit strange, but maybe someone in BP thought employees were spending too much on travel up to Colorado and Wyoming.
Winner winner chicken dinner!
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Of course, this is just the United States division.
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When was the last time you heard of an energy company relocating away from Houston? Devon relocating wasn't the norm. If it happens again, I will bump this thread and we will talk about it. In other words, having more energy companies decentralize away from Houston in this new energy market is a real possibility. Take care.
Companies move all the time. They get a new CEO, he wants to be in Tulsa. They sign a giant lease for shale in the Permian, they move to Midland.
But for every one that moves out of Houston, ten more move here.
Sorry Dallas-person, but nothing has changed... Houston Rules and Dallas drools.
12-16-2016, 09:37 AM
Location: Texas
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Yeah but how do taxes and insurance compare? Those are two big things that keep home values down here. Even compared to Central Texas a house with a significantly higher value would cost the same monthly. Creative financing seems to have made a comeback as well.
I can speak to this....property taxes in Denver are much lower. We paid about 1/3 there as we do here on a comparably priced home. And had I not lived in Stapleton (which is a special district taxed about 40% higher than the rest of Denver), my taxes would have been lower still. Of course, there is a state income tax....it's a flat tax of 4.63%. Homeowners insurance is very comparable between the two cities, unless you have to pay for flood and wind and hail here, which we do, but would point out is a voluntary purchase based on where you choose to buy a house.
Prices within Denver City and County are very high compared to here, but to people from California and other coastal areas, they are not bad. It's all about perspective. The average sales price in Stapleton where I lived (Denver proper) is in the mid 500's. However, it is still possible for you to find suburban homes around 400K. You will commute (no different than here) and you certainly won't get as much house for your money. Then again, look at the prices in places like Westbury and Meyerland where 40 year old Ranch houses go for 400K.
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12-16-2016, 09:49 AM
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Look, I get it that you are trying to bad-news Houston, but at least get your facts straight. One small division, with less than 5% of BP's American workforce, is relocating to Denver because almost all of their work is in that area. That's it.
BP is a monster in off-shore oil. They just announced a multi-billion dollar new project in the Gulf. All that is based in Houston. They also have a small onshore drilling division, based in Houston, but with 75% of their work in the Rockies. They decided to move it to Denver, to cut down on travel expenses. End of story.
And there is 2,000 years of easier-to-get-to oil in the Permian.
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Companies move all the time. They get a new CEO, he wants to be in Tulsa. They sign a giant lease for shale in the Permian, they move to Midland.
But for every one that moves out of Houston, ten more move here.
Sorry Dallas-person, but nothing has changed... Houston Rules and Dallas drools.
Shouldn't a person be able to come into the Houston section of this forum and ask an intelligent question? For every fifty energy companies relocating towards Houston, one will relocate away from it. It is noteworthy that a major energy company has decided to decentralize part of itself away from Houston.
12-16-2016, 09:58 AM
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In other words you didn't hear or read any such claim by anybody at BP or elsewhere and this thread was just a way for you to rouse some controversy and get some kicks !
No company or industry is ever bound to any City or location so there has always been the possibility for change in any industry. We already knew that. Have a nice day !
You are the one messing up this thread. I inquired about the significance of the move. I should have gone to the Denver section to discuss this none event.
By the way, having energy companies decide to decentralize away from Houston would be great for the city. While Houston would still benefit from energy, having less of it would help in establishing a more diversified economy.
12-16-2016, 09:58 AM
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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Shouldn't a person be able to come into the Houston section of this forum and ask an intelligent question ? For every fifty energy companies relocating towards Houston, one will relocate away from it. It is noteworthy that a major energy company has decided to decentralize part of itself away from Houston.
Your question (thread) involved fake news accounts was disingenuous and hardly intelligent IMO. So the answer to your question is , in this case
NO !
12-16-2016, 10:07 AM
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I can speak to this....property taxes in Denver are much lower. We paid about 1/3 there as we do here on a comparably priced home. And had I not lived in Stapleton (which is a special district taxed about 40% higher than the rest of Denver), my taxes would have been lower still. Of course, there is a state income tax....it's a flat tax of 4.63%. Homeowners insurance is very comparable between the two cities, unless you have to pay for flood and wind and hail here, which we do, but would point out is a voluntary purchase based on where you choose to buy a house.
Prices within Denver City and County are very high compared to here, but to people from California and other coastal areas, they are not bad. It's all about perspective. The average sales price in Stapleton where I lived (Denver proper) is in the mid 500's. However, it is still possible for you to find suburban homes around 400K. You will commute (no different than here) and you certainly won't get as much house for your money. Then again, look at the prices in places like Westbury and Meyerland where 40 year old Ranch houses go for 400K.
I should ask you this question being as you are from Denver. Is there any way in the future that the city of Denver will develop into the global capital of the energy business? I think a newscaster misquoted a BP representative which is why I started this thread.
12-16-2016, 10:15 AM
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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I should ask you this question being as you are from Denver. Is there any way in the future that the city of Denver will develop into the global capital of the energy business? I think a newscaster misquoted a BP representative which is why I started this thread.
Which Newscaster on which station ?
12-16-2016, 10:16 AM
Location: Spring
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I think it is just lower 48 BP
12-16-2016, 10:25 AM
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LOL. Might want to stick to retail. Energy companies leave Houston and consolidate in Houston all the time.
This is no big deal whatsoever, just like Exxon moving corporate from Irving would be no big deal. But you can keep wishing!
Actually, Exxon moving away from Irving would be great for that city. In turn, it would also be great for the Woodlands. It would be great for Las Colinas because of the prime property beneath and surrounding the Exxon headquarters opening it up to development.
So, it is all good.
In the early ninties, a huge number of energy companies moved away from Dallas relocating to Houston. Oddly, the loss worked out great for Dallas. The city didn't skip a beat.
12-16-2016, 10:26 AM
Location: Texas
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I should ask you this question being as you are from Denver. Is there any way in the future that the city of Denver will develop into the global capital of the energy business? I think a newscaster misquoted a BP representative which is why I started this thread.
I'm actually from here, but lived away from Houston between 2001-2015 in various places, most recently in Denver for 3 years before relocating back here in 2015 due primarily to a higher income potential and family considerations.
I don't know the answer to the question above. Will Denver be "the" global capital of the energy business? I can't see that happening at all, nor can I think of anyone who does (and I seriously doubt Denver would want that). Is it "a" rather large player? Well, yes, I would say it is, but it almost seems like their economy has been further trending
away from energy over the past 10 years and more towards Tech and innovation (not to mention all the federal jobs that have been there a long time), as myself and Sunderpig2 previously mentioned.
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Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)