Crime in Houston is out of control... (Howe: school districts, lawsuit)

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

I agree. People make the excuse it's because Houston has high levels of poverty but honestly this is becoming a lazy excuse too. There's several cities with high levels of concentrated and widespread poverty but they don't have nearly the high crime rate as Houston. What they do have in common is they are made up of a collection of incorporated cities. Using the sheriffs/constables for a large county like Harris to do the job a normal city police would do has clearly shown it does not work.

Higher crime seems to follow unincorporated areas no matter the region. For example in LA, the highest crime neighborhood is Florence-Firestone which also happens to technically be unincorporated. Whether it be in the west, south, or NE, it seems unincorporated areas are going to have higher crime than similar areas in incorporated cities.

Right now all the money is spread so thin. If Houston had incorporated cities that could keep the tax dollars flowing through their borders, I think it'd eventually trickle down to making a safer area because policing would no doubt be better. People who say this "wouldn't work for Houston" are just completely ignorant about 95% of cities in this country. It would definitely work in Houston but would just take planning.

It won't work in Houston because the people in the unincorporated areas don't want to pay city taxes. That's a big reason why The Woodlands didn't incorporate several years back. There is a psychological barrier to incorporating. Most of the incorporated entities around Dallas were incorporated long before they became giant suburbs, and grew as more people moved into the area.

[usc619]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

I agree. People make the excuse it's because Houston has high levels of poverty but honestly this is becoming a lazy excuse too. There's several cities with high levels of concentrated and widespread poverty but they don't have nearly the high crime rate as Houston. What they do have in common is they are made up of a collection of incorporated cities. Using the sheriffs/constables for a large county like Harris to do the job a normal city police would do has clearly shown it does not work.

Higher crime seems to follow unincorporated areas no matter the region. For example in LA, the highest crime neighborhood is Florence-Firestone which also happens to technically be unincorporated. Whether it be in the west, south, or NE, it seems unincorporated areas are going to have higher crime than similar areas in incorporated cities.

Right now all the money is spread so thin. If Houston had incorporated cities that could keep the tax dollars flowing through their borders, I think it'd eventually trickle down to making a safer area because policing would no doubt be better. People who say this "wouldn't work for Houston" are just completely ignorant about 95% of cities in this country. It would definitely work in Houston but would just take planning.

The words “Planning” and “Houston” just don’t mix well IMO

[Htown2013]

I agree crime is out of control. Just heard that someone was shot and killed having drinks on the patio in Grotto restaurant in the Galleria at 5pm broad daylight.

It was an armed robbery in a restaurant patio in broad daylight, where the victim complied, but the "animal" still shot two people and killed at least one. Tragic.

This is making me seriously consider to regularly carry.

[Raider Scott]

Originally Posted by Htown2013

I agree crime is out of control. Just heard that someone was shot and killed having drinks on the patio in Grotto restaurant in the Galleria at 5pm broad daylight.

It was an armed robbery in a restaurant patio in broad daylight, where the victim complied, but the "animal" still shot two people and killed at least one. Tragic.

This is making me seriously consider to regularly carry.

For the life of me, I do not know why some live in this city and do not carry. No wonder why so many live in total fear.



That said, know that the Galleria and fancy restaurants like Grotto are places thieves will target and plan your dining accordingly.

[Htown2013]

Originally Posted by Raider Scott

For the life of me, I do not know why some live in this city and do not carry. No wonder why so many live in total fear.



That said, know that the Galleria and fancy restaurants like Grotto are places thieves will target and plan your dining accordingly.

Common sense is not flashing anything of value or leaving anything of value in a vehicle, whether in sight or not. Or going shopping and leaving things in the trunk. That is asking to be burgled.

Theft is different than violent brazen armed robbery.

This incident was a brazen armed robbery, where the victims did not resist, COMPLIED, and were still shot and killed. This was a murder. That should NOT be a normal occurrence in a good area in a US city. These animals should be behind bars.

You should be able to enjoy a nice dinner without worry about getting killed. That is insane.

[mingna]

The 2 suspects in the recent Galleria Grotto murder of the Nola diner, and shooting of his friend, have just been arrested.

Seems they may be connected to other recent Galleria crimes. Both were out on bond for other crimes, with one illegally removing his ankle monitor. They are suspected of perpetrating this and other crimes to make money to get others out on bond.

Seems violent criminals released on bond just to reoffend, is a big contributor to Houston’s crime problem. The DA, police chief, and mayor have all come out against this repeated practice of bond release.

So who’s responsible? And what can be done to address this problem? How many more innocent people need to be hurt as a result of this practice before something is done to stop it?


https://www.khou.com/article/news/cr...9-f91ac65ce9fc

[utche96]

Originally Posted by mingna

The 2 suspects in the recent Galleria Grotto murder of the Nola diner, and shooting of his friend, have just been arrested.

Seems they may be connected to other recent Galleria crimes. Both were out on bond for other crimes, with one illegally removing his ankle monitor. They are suspected of perpetrating this and other crimes to make money to get others out on bond.

Seems violent criminals released on bond just to reoffend, is a big contributor to Houston’s crime problem. The DA, police chief, and mayor have all come out against this repeated practice of bond release.

So who’s responsible? And what can be done to address this problem? How many more innocent people need to be hurt as a result of this practice before something is done to stop it?


https://www.khou.com/article/news/cr...9-f91ac65ce9fc

Same thing happened in the murder of the father of two on Westheimer. They found the suspect. He was out on bond. Houston is slowly descending into anarchy.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/cr...0-9a2e3006b1b9

[usc619]

Originally Posted by mingna

The 2 suspects in the recent Galleria Grotto murder of the Nola diner, and shooting of his friend, have just been arrested.

Seems they may be connected to other recent Galleria crimes. Both were out on bond for other crimes, with one illegally removing his ankle monitor. They are suspected of perpetrating this and other crimes to make money to get others out on bond.

Seems violent criminals released on bond just to reoffend, is a big contributor to Houston’s crime problem. The DA, police chief, and mayor have all come out against this repeated practice of bond release.

So who’s responsible? And what can be done to address this problem? How many more innocent people need to be hurt as a result of this practice before something is done to stop it?


https://www.khou.com/article/news/cr...9-f91ac65ce9fc

^^THIS^^ Rodney Ellis is the one who champion bail reform in Harris county, crazy how this con man and the judges keep getting elected by ignorant voters

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by usc619

^^THIS^^ Rodney Ellis is the one who champion bail reform in Harris county, crazy how this con man and the judges keep getting elected by ignorant voters

Both suspects had made cash bond for past indictments. One of them had made bonds over $200k, the other over $100k. Bail reform didn't come in to play here.

Judges were slapped down by Federal courts for past bond practices that were discriminatory, so what would you have them do? Keep violating Federal court rulings?

[utche96]

Originally Posted by WRM20

Both suspects had made cash bond for past indictments. One of them had made bonds over $200k, the other over $100k. Bail reform didn't come in to play here.

Judges were slapped down by Federal courts for past bond practices that were discriminatory, so what would you have them do? Keep violating Federal court rulings?

We need to devise a policy that keeps violent offenders in jail that complies with Federal requirements.

My understanding is the Federal courts have slapped Harris County for racial discrimination on low level crimes and misdemeanors. Both of these suspects were out on bond for a violent offense. There is no reason they should have been out. The consequences speak for themselves.