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Old 10-26-2022, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Sadly, I think this is completely right. Voters care way too much about optics and will happily vote for someone that is a gigantic POS if that person can appeal to the emotions of the voters. Appealing to the emotions of the voters means stiring division by creating an us vs. them mentality. Why do we think Dan Patrick and Ken Paxton are still here?
Maybe I am naive. I think of "independent" voters as being smart and well-read. Where would they hear Lina called Dora the Explorer and Mealer called Rosie O'Donnell? I only see that type of immature name calling on internet forums like this, and maybe Reddit?

PS I like your takes on several topics but when it comes to politics you have stated that you don't even vote, so what would it take to get someone like you off the sidelines and to the ballot box?

 
Old 10-26-2022, 02:19 PM
 
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I do wish that society had more interests in data and facts, but as shown from people of both sides, this isn’t the case.
Politicians and the ALL news media like to keep people ignorant of important issues to make sure that people vote against their own interests.

I'll give you an example ... did you notice how little local news media talked about the issues we have with the power grid this year?
 
Old 10-26-2022, 02:23 PM
 
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I don't understand how someone can be an "independent" voter these days.

I am legitimately interested in what an INFORMED undecided voter is thinking about, if anyone wants to share.
 
Old 10-26-2022, 02:24 PM
 
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Ill be honest, Ive become more indifferent to the results in this race. I did vote for Lina for reasons Ive previously outlined, but Im not going to worry much if she loses. I think there are two reasons:

1) I dont think Mealer is any kind of extremist.
2) I honestly was very disappointed with the way Lina has campaigned in recent weeks. It was almost like she was trying to use star power as a way of getting votes as opposed to anything local.
If Cagle and Ramsey are still on Commissioners Court, and Mealer is County Judge, then all of the efforts Hidalgo has been making to provide better services to the less well off parts of town will go away, and we will be back to the days of the rich white folks getting all of the attention, while the poor folks are screwed.

The Cagle and Ramsey budget proposals eliminated Elections Administration, eliminated payments for software, eliminated the Public Defender's office and the budget for appointed counsel, and a myriad of other stupidity. Here's a link with the budget analysis embedded. https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/a...nalysis-shows/
 
Old 10-26-2022, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Katy,TX.
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If Cagle and Ramsey are still on Commissioners Court, and Mealer is County Judge, then all of the efforts Hidalgo has been making to provide better services to the less well off parts of town will go away, and we will be back to the days of the rich white folks getting all of the attention, while the poor folks are screwed.

The Cagle and Ramsey budget proposals eliminated Elections Administration, eliminated payments for software, eliminated the Public Defender's office and the budget for appointed counsel, and a myriad of other stupidity. Here's a link with the budget analysis embedded. https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/a...nalysis-shows/
Last I checked the poor people are still getting screwed.
 
Old 10-26-2022, 02:53 PM
Status: "Worship the Earth, Worship Love, not Imaginary Gods" (set 21 days ago)
 
Location: Houston, TX/Detroit, MI
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Maybe I am naive. I think of "independent" voters as being smart and well-read. Where would they hear Lina called Dora the Explorer and Mealer called Rosie O'Donnell? I only see that type of immature name calling on internet forums like this, and maybe Reddit?

PS I like your takes on several topics but when it comes to politics you have stated that you don't even vote, so what would it take to get someone like you off the sidelines and to the ballot box?
I vote in all elections. I think you’re talking about PS. I don’t think he votes.
 
Old 10-26-2022, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Maybe I am naive. I think of "independent" voters as being smart and well-read. Where would they hear Lina called Dora the Explorer and Mealer called Rosie O'Donnell? I only see that type of immature name calling on internet forums like this, and maybe Reddit?

PS I like your takes on several topics but when it comes to politics you have stated that you don't even vote, so what would it take to get someone like you off the sidelines and to the ballot box?
The Independent vote is nothing more than the voting population that doesn’t almost always decide their vote based on the associated political party. I like to think they’re smarter than the population that is one sided simply because one sided voters seem to have some weird emotional attachment to people that have no clue who they are. But regardless, when they hear the racism, baseless socialist claims etc, they don’t want to hear that. It’s attractive to those who already think that way and annoying to everyone else.

Not to say the Democratic Party is exactly great at marketing either. I could talk about emotional politics and political correctness (and how far they go with that). But that’s not what I was talking about in that particular post.
 
Old 10-26-2022, 03:47 PM
Status: "Worship the Earth, Worship Love, not Imaginary Gods" (set 21 days ago)
 
Location: Houston, TX/Detroit, MI
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I don't understand how someone can be an "independent" voter these days.

I am legitimately interested in what an INFORMED undecided voter is thinking about, if anyone wants to share.
I dont think its a crazy concept. You agree with one party on some things, you agree with another party on some things, and you agree with neither sometimes. So you have to go with which candidate is best regardless of party.
 
Old 10-26-2022, 04:06 PM
 
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I dont think its a crazy concept. You agree with one party on some things, you agree with another party on some things, and you agree with neither sometimes. So you have to go with which candidate is best regardless of party.
But some of the "things" have gotten so big that I think they've become non-negotiable for most people. You either believe something or you don't-- climate change is real or it's not (and if it is, it's probably going to be non-negotiable); January 6th was a threat to democracy or it wasn't (again, if it was, non-negotiable); outlawing abortion either saves babies or threatens women's lives and livelihoods. These are not really pick-and-choose issues. Like, "oh well, so global warming is eventually going to make earth uninhabitable for humans, but those gas prices!! How will I decide which matters more???" No. You're either there, or you're not.
 
Old 10-26-2022, 04:26 PM
 
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I think it partially depends on the part of town. Where I live its about 60/40 Lina to Mealer signs but I live in a liberal part of town.

I think part of it is that Mealer did a much better job of fund raising. She had a much bigger war chest. That means more signs.

I would caution that number of signs has very little correlation with probability to win.
Dick Weekly and several other real estate developers need her to win so they can get back to business as usual. They will give what they think it will take for their candidate to win.

My part of the county is still sinking. Flooding will continue to be an issue. It affects the insurance rates of every property owner and renter and car owner in the county.
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