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Sure it does. For the record, I didn't know the statue was there so it won't bother me at all if it's moved. Probably should be moved off public property.
How would the riots have anything to do with what we're talking about now?
And for the record, I don't like what's going on up in the north and northwest. And the rioting has been happening in southern cities too.
08-12-2020, 04:03 PM
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Ah, a whataboutism, which has nothing to do with this discussion. Touche.
It is part of your package.
08-12-2020, 04:51 PM
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It is part of your package.
At the end of the day, it doesn't change the fact that I've never liked Confederate monuments or Confederate flags. It doesn't change the fact that I've known about that Confederate monument and others like it for longer than I'm given credit for.
08-12-2020, 05:15 PM
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The way I see Huntsville, it's Rocket City. It's a city of engineers. It suppose to be more forward thinking, set apart from the rest of Alabama. Based on what I've seen, plenty of American flags flying around, but hardly anyone flying Confederate flags. That, to me, makes the Confederate statue in front of the Madison County Courthouse stand out in a big way.
All that makes sense. Why Maple Hill though? I've heard that mentioned before. Are Confederate soldiers buried there?
As many years as I've lived here (Huntsville and Madison, which I think of as one), I think I've been in the courthouse exactly once. I have no idea which side of the square the statue is on, and to my knowledge have never seen it. I certainly won't miss it if it's moved. If it's moved though, I don't want it replaced by any other controversial figure.
08-12-2020, 05:20 PM
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How would the riots have anything to do with what we're talking about now?
OK, thank you for answering. The only Southern city I know of that had riots to any extent was Atlanta, and they didn't last all that long. Nothing like what's going on in Portland and Chicago, and what went on in New York. The worst part is that the cities just let them have their way and do virtually nothing about it, and essentially even support their activities. Seattle just lost what seemed to be an outstanding police chief because she wasn't getting any support or allowed to do her job.
08-12-2020, 05:51 PM
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OK, thank you for answering. The only Southern city I know of that had riots to any extent was Atlanta, and they didn't last all that long. Nothing like what's going on in Portland and Chicago, and what went on in New York. The worst part is that the cities just let them have their way and do virtually nothing about it, and essentially even support their activities. Seattle just lost what seemed to be an outstanding police chief because she wasn't getting any support or allowed to do her job.
Nashville and Birmingham got hit. The thing is, I'm discussing this issue separate from the riots because this has been an issue in the South long before the riots. It will be an issue afterwards.
08-12-2020, 06:00 PM
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All that makes sense. Why Maple Hill though? I've heard that mentioned before. Are Confederate soldiers buried there?
Yes, Confederate Soldiers are buried there in a Confederate section.
I highly recommend you attend the annual Maple Hill Cemetery Stroll some fine day.
By any other controversial figure do you mean Wernher von Braun and his team of German Scientist?
Many of which were former members, and some were former leaders, of the Nazi Party.
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
Oh, the irony of it all.
As I said before, moving the Memorial is a slippery slope.
Certain people are never satisfied, give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile.
i.e. - green_mariner a.k.a. pirate_lafitte has post dating back to 2007 showing that he has been offended by something in every place he ever lived.
08-12-2020, 06:31 PM
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Yes, Confederate Soldiers are buried there in a Confederate section.
I highly recommend you attend the annual Maple Hill Cemetery Stroll some fine day.
By any other controversial figure do you mean Wernher von Braun and his team of German Scientist?
Many of which were former members, and some were former leaders, of the Nazi Party.
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
Oh, the irony of it all.
As I said before, moving the Memorial is a slippery slope.
Certain people are never satisfied, give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile.
i.e. - green_mariner a.k.a. pirate_lafitte has post dating back to 2007 showing that he has been offended by something in every place he ever lived.
Wernher von Braun has a history that ranks right up there with any Confederate general. However, he also has a crater on the moon named after him and he was a nazi.
08-12-2020, 08:01 PM
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Yes, Confederate Soldiers are buried there in a Confederate section.
I highly recommend you attend the annual Maple Hill Cemetery Stroll some fine day.
By any other controversial figure do you mean
Wernher von Braun and his team of German Scientist?
Many of which were former members, and some were former leaders, of the Nazi Party.
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
Oh, the irony of it all.
As I said before, moving the Memorial is a slippery slope.
Certain people are never satisfied, give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile.
i.e. - green_mariner a.k.a. pirate_lafitte has post dating back to 2007 showing that he has been offended by something in every place he ever lived.
As far as I know, von Braun never did anything negative for our country after he got here, but he did a lot of positive, and I think he was just doing his job when in Germany. I'm not big into statues of anybody, but I wouldn't mind one of him. There's a bust in the 4200 complex that, to me, isn't very well done. Looks like he's wearing a Superman cape.
https://www.google.com/search?q=von+...xvmP0WamDGYi6M
08-12-2020, 09:42 PM
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As far as I know, von Braun never did anything negative for our country after he got here, but he did a lot of positive, and I think he was just doing his job when in Germany. I'm not big into statues of anybody, but I wouldn't mind one of him. There's a bust in the 4200 complex that, to me, isn't very well done. Looks like he's wearing a Superman cape.
https://www.google.com/search?q=von+...xvmP0WamDGYi6M
I actually like Statues and Monuments, I have seen some truly interesting ones around the world.
I get what the artist was doing with that bust of von Braun. It has a 50"s/60's vibe to it.
As for being offended, that is always in the eyes of the beholder.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-monsters.html
Of course, young people are offended by everything these days.
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People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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