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Old 12-26-2018, 07:06 AM
 
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Congressional Democrats are on record as being opposed to almost every single border security measure and every reasonable measure to fight illegal immigration.

Cite what they have done about illegal immigration. They haven't done ANYTHING except oppose legislation like Kate's Law. They support sanctuary cities and want to abolish ICE. On top of that, they call those of us who want our immigration laws enforced racists.

You can tell yourself whatever you want, but the truth is that your party is in fact for open borders and everyone knows it. If they weren't, they would act otherwise.

They also object to the wall which isn't to be for the entire border but only the 700 miles where it is needed. They supported it back in 2006 why the change now?
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Old 12-26-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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So follow the letter of the law when they say the magic word “asylum” but then ignore the law once they are in the country? You can’t have it both ways.
I do agree that if we come down hard on those who employ them that the illegals will leave of their own volition when they can no longer find work. Criminally charge anyone who hires an illegal, be that a suburban housewife who hires a cleaning lady or corporate types who employ illegals in their factories. Their desire for cheap labor does not entitle them to foist the societal costs of providing healthcare, schools etc for the illegals on the rest of us.
Most people seeking asylum keep their appointments regarding their immigration application. If they didn't plan on doing so, why wouldn't they just sneak in between border crossings and fly under the radar like millions of others?
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Old 12-26-2018, 03:26 PM
 
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That's simply untrue. In 206 and 2013 Democrats supported bipartisan senate immigration bills that included improved border security, a new worker visa program and the 2013 bill included mandatory e-verify, both bills died when the Republican majority house refused to vote on them.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfac...bills-2006-20/



The 2013 bill also included amnesty for most illegals already here.



https://www.politifact.com/punditfac...bills-2006-20/



The bill directed the Secretary of Homeland Security to submit two reports on border security strategy, including one on where fencing, infrastructure and technology should be used; authorized the use of the National Guard to help secure the border; called for an increase in the number of Border Patrol agents at the southern border, and other border security measures.
It also included provisions to allow immigrants in the country illegally to adjust their immigration status, if they met certain criteria.
"The bipartisan bill that passed today was a compromise … Today, the Senate did its job. It’s now up to the House to do the same," said then-President Barack Obama.
But House Republicans again opposed the Senate immigration proposal, arguing that border security needed to be addressed first before legalizing the status of millions of immigrants.
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Old 12-27-2018, 08:58 AM
 
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The 2013 bill also included amnesty for most illegals already here.
https://www.politifact.com/punditfac...bills-2006-20/

The bill directed the Secretary of Homeland Security to submit two reports on border security strategy, including one on where fencing, infrastructure and technology should be used; authorized the use of the National Guard to help secure the border; called for an increase in the number of Border Patrol agents at the southern border, and other border security measures.
It also included provisions to allow immigrants in the country illegally to adjust their immigration status, if they met certain criteria.
"The bipartisan bill that passed today was a compromise … Today, the Senate did its job. It’s now up to the House to do the same," said then-President Barack Obama.
But House Republicans again opposed the Senate immigration proposal, arguing that border security needed to be addressed first before legalizing the status of millions of immigrants.
The millions of people who have been here for years, are self supporting and haven't committed crimes aren't going anywhere so why not acknowledge it and give them some sort of legal status? Trump can pick off a few thousand around the edges but there is no way in the world that there will ever be large scale deportation of long time residents, particularly those with children, not even Republicans want to see that happen. At least Democrats are willing to admit the reality and look for a solution rather than pout and stomp their feet and make absurd claims that they are all going to be deported.
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Old 12-27-2018, 06:52 PM
 
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The millions of people who have been here for years, are self supporting and haven't committed crimes aren't going anywhere so why not acknowledge it and give them some sort of legal status? Trump can pick off a few thousand around the edges but there is no way in the world that there will ever be large scale deportation of long time residents, particularly those with children, not even Republicans want to see that happen. At least Democrats are willing to admit the reality and look for a solution rather than pout and stomp their feet and make absurd claims that they are all going to be deported.
The last amnesty under Reagan only served to encourage even greater numbers of illegals to come. It told them wait long enough and another amnesty will come along. No new amnesty without first stopping the flow of new illegals coming in. Arrest and imprison anyone that hires an illegal, be it suburban housewives hiring cleaning ladies or corporate executives hiring employees and illegals won’t come because there is no work for them. Arrest and imprison anyone providing housing of any kind to illegals and they won’t come because there is no place to live. Deny the children of illegals entry into schools and they won’t come. In a nutshell, stop the inflow of illegals and I’ll go along with an amnesty of current long term non-criminal self supporting illegals.
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Old 12-27-2018, 07:00 PM
 
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The last amnesty under Reagan only served to encourage even greater numbers of illegals to come. It told them wait long enough and another amnesty will come along. No new amnesty without first stopping the flow of new illegals coming in. Arrest and imprison anyone that hires an illegal, be it suburban housewives hiring cleaning ladies or corporate executives hiring employees and illegals won’t come because there is no work for them. Arrest and imprison anyone providing housing of any kind to illegals and they won’t come because there is no place to live. Deny the children of illegals entry into schools and they won’t come. In a nutshell, stop the inflow of illegals and I’ll go along with an amnesty of current long term non-criminal self supporting illegals.
It won't happen, even most conservatives do not want people drug from the homes they've lived in for 10 or 15 years because of their immigration status, it's just nonsense to think that it would ever happen.

Start arresting employers who hire illegals and you won't have a problem, they don't come here for the beaches, their own are better.
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Old 12-27-2018, 08:05 PM
 
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It won't happen, even most conservatives do not want people drug from the homes they've lived in for 10 or 15 years because of their immigration status, it's just nonsense to think that it would ever happen.

Start arresting employers who hire illegals and you won't have a problem, they don't come here for the beaches, their own are better.
I’m willing to give amnesty to long term illegals who are self supporting and without any criminal record if and only if we stop the inflow via whatever it takes. Those who are not self supporting or who have criminal records need to go no matter how long they’ve been here.
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Old 12-27-2018, 08:28 PM
 
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I’m willing to give amnesty to long term illegals who are self supporting and without any criminal record if and only if we stop the inflow via whatever it takes. Those who are not self supporting or who have criminal records need to go no matter how long they’ve been here.

How do Americans get their jobs back with your plan? How were they able to work if not by using a fake or stolen SS number or worked for cash evading taxes? Those are crimes.


Just because someone has managed to evade the law for a long time doesn't mean they should get a pass and then rewarded for it.


I oppose amnesty for any of them. We tried that back in 1986 and now we have at least quadruple the number of illegal aliens here today. It negates our sane annual quotas for legal immigration and is a slap in the face to those who followed the legal process to get here.
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Old 12-29-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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I’m willing to give amnesty to long term illegals who are self supporting and without any criminal record if and only if we stop the inflow via whatever it takes. Those who are not self supporting or who have criminal records need to go no matter how long they’ve been here.

All illegal aliens have a criminal record. They all need to be deported and/or jailed. Their employers need to be heavily fined and/or jailed and have their license to do business removed.
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Old 01-13-2019, 02:16 PM
 
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We don't have enough medical schools and residency programs, it will take more than time, it will require a Republican run congress to commit money to the issue. If you want to pay even more for healthcare than you do now, then fine..just don't allow Physicians to immigrate to the US.

I'm a white male. My GP is from India, did her undergrad and med school in India, and all of her post med school training at Emory in Atlanta. She's a natural....some people you just get the sense they were born to be doctors .
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