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Old 09-30-2009, 12:12 AM
 
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How do I propose to control the border, well an electrified fence would be a good start. If the East Germany can create an uncrossible wall in the 40's I'm sure we could whip something up in 2009.

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Are you referring to the Berlin Wall?

Because it wasn't really uncrossable:

"In the West, the Berlin Wall was regarded as a major symbol of communist oppression. About 5,000 East Germans managed to escape across the Berlin Wall to the West, but the frequency of successful escapes dwindled as the wall was increasingly fortified. Thousands of East Germans were captured during attempted crossings and 191 were killed."

This Day in History 1961: Berlin Wall built
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Old 09-30-2009, 05:44 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Are you referring to the Berlin Wall?

Because it wasn't really uncrossable:

"In the West, the Berlin Wall was regarded as a major symbol of communist oppression. About 5,000 East Germans managed to escape across the Berlin Wall to the West, but the frequency of successful escapes dwindled as the wall was increasingly fortified. Thousands of East Germans were captured during attempted crossings and 191 were killed."

This Day in History 1961: Berlin Wall built
5,000 vs millions. For all intents and purposes it was uncrossable.
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Old 09-30-2009, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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5,000 vs millions. For all intents and purposes it was uncrossable.
Thank you.

And the modern version of the Berlin Wall would be the barrier(s) that Israel uses to keep the Palestinians, etc. out.

Maybe it is time to hire some Israelis, former VoPos, and Spaniards* to 'show' us the protocol of building a proper barrier along the Mexican border

*Spain has a series of fortifications along its territories in Northern Africa to keep illegals out as well Melilla border fence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 09-30-2009, 08:33 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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immigration has always been good for this country, legal immigration.

You are right! What we don't need is to import unchecked poverty.
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Old 09-30-2009, 04:25 PM
 
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5,000 vs millions. For all intents and purposes it was uncrossable.
The Berlin wall was not uncrossable, people even built a large network of tunnels:

http://berlinwall.soaringdevelopment.com/tunnel.aspx

"In an attempt to escape and gain access to West Berlin a large network of tunnels were built. They were dug mostly by college students but many people used them."
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The Berlin wall was not uncrossable, people even built a large network of tunnels:

http://berlinwall.soaringdevelopment.com/tunnel.aspx

"In an attempt to escape and gain access to West Berlin a large network of tunnels were built. They were dug mostly by college students but many people used them."
Nothing is totally impervious: the Berlin Wall did its deadly work (keeping E Germans in)---------never mind that most Germans on both sides were against that series of fortifications.
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:18 PM
 
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Nothing is totally impervious: the Berlin Wall did its deadly work (keeping E Germans in)---------never mind that most Germans on both sides were against that series of fortifications.
Berlin Wall

"in 1962 on a second fence, parallel to the first but up to 100 yards further in. The area in between the two fences was demolished to create an empty space, which became widely known as "death strip" as it was here that many would-be escapers met their doom. The strip was covered with raked gravel, making it easy to spot footprints, it offered no cover, was mined and booby-trapped with tripwires and, most importantly, it offered a clear field of fire to the armed guards – who were instructed to shoot on sight."

It wasn't the wall doing the deadly work, it was the armed guards.
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Berlin Wall

"in 1962 on a second fence, parallel to the first but up to 100 yards further in. The area in between the two fences was demolished to create an empty space, which became widely known as "death strip" as it was here that many would-be escapers met their doom. The strip was covered with raked gravel, making it easy to spot footprints, it offered no cover, was mined and booby-trapped with tripwires and, most importantly, it offered a clear field of fire to the armed guards – who were instructed to shoot on sight."

It wasn't the wall doing the deadly work, it was the armed guards.
When discussing the Wall; I was referring to all of its means of 'defense'..........not just the physical barrier which could easily be surmounted if unmanned.
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:37 PM
 
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When discussing the Wall; I was referring to all of its means of 'defense'..........not just the physical barrier which could easily be surmounted if unmanned.
My point was that the effectiveness of the Berlin wall was due in large part to the armed guards shooting on sight.
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Old 10-01-2009, 12:35 AM
 
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The only way to control the illegals is to control their ability to earn money. Canada has a work permit law AND no one HAD BETTER BE CAUGHT hiring an alien who doesnt have the permit,,,ITs that simple.........but are we too stupid to see it? NO! We just have politicians who have been paid off and are corrupt .They know what Canada does but think we dont.
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