Can Trump save their jobs?

[Knox Harrington]

As someone who believes in Keynesian economics, I don't really have a problem with it.

I'm just glad the Republicans are FINALLY on board with government spending tax dollars to intervene in the business world/economy.

[Sculptor]

Originally Posted by eok

Abortion is going to be a thing of the past. Welfare is going to be reduced. Section 8 housing will be cheaper and more crowded. Millionaires and billionaires will hardly have to pay any tax at all. Workers will have to pay through the nose. Unemployment benefits will be reduced. Weapons manufacturers will get more lucrative contracts. The wall is a joke, and most people don't get it yet. The 1% need foreign workers to replace Americans, far more than they need any stupid wall. Such decisions are made by Congress, not by Trump.


Republicans are even dumber than Obama, but there are too many of them. They're like ants on honey. By the time Trump gets thrown out of office, there won't be any honey left.

Abortion will continue as it always has, people will find more abandoned, dead, McDonalds' trash-can babies, a new underground black market for the various pills that induce an abortion and so forth, more women will die and we'll be stuck with more unwanted babies to add to the 200,000 unwanted children clogging up the foster-care system in this country at a huge expense to the taxpayers.

There is a video about the history of the Ku Klux Klan, one interesting thing I noted throughout the video was how the Republicans in the Klan lobbied to get their Republican members into positions of power like local police, sheriff, and they lobbied hard to support any of their Republican Klan members running for Congress, Governor etc etc. At one point, maybe more, they had Klan members as police chief and police, sheriff, Governor and more, and when black people were either beaten almost to death, or found hanged, not one trial if any came to it resulted in any convictions.

But their whole scheme came crashing down when a blackmail threat among the Klan failed, and everyone from the Governor on down felt the weight of the Feds' prosecutions when a couple of boxes of documents and papers proving the corruption from the Governor on down to the local police depts were released!

Do some Google on:

D. C. Stephenson created the Ku Klux Klan in Indiana

You can see the exact same thing outlined in the video happening today with Trumpty Dumpty and his clan attacking minorities, handicapped, gay people etc- they are doing exactly what the KKK had done at least 4 times to re-rise in power again after collapsing.

One of the collapses happened after the tax dept sued for back taxes and basically destroyed them, every time they revived it began again with the racism, and lies about protecting innocent white women or whatever cause they came up with, now it's muslims and immigrants, watch and see the Klan rise up again like they did 4 times before, and then crash and burn like they did times before too.

[Sculptor]

Originally Posted by censusdata

You can back this up statistically. In many counties in rural Kentucky (one of the nation's worst places) over HALF of total income of entire countries are govt transfer payments: SS, SNAP, welfare, etc. HALF. The COL in this areas is geared towards people living off $800 SS check a month so everything is cheap. There is no need for people there to work. When you don't work your self esteem is destroyed, which leads to a sedentary lifestyle, drug addiction, suicide, etc.

Between increased amounts for more children and free school lunch 365 days we've given people in bad situations an incentive to have children they can't properly raise.

DRUGS are at the root of all of this, not just illegal drugs but doctors way overprescribing oxycontin and other addictive very valuable drugs that can be sold on the street for up to $120 per PILL, these people in that part of Kentucky have been getting truckloads of these prescription drugs.

One documentary on youtube filmed in Kentucky showing much of this is "Darlene Chronicles" and I think it was this one ( I watched more than one, another was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lKx26ve1H8 )

they showed a couple of guys BURNING old tires on the mess that was the front yard/driveway- to get the steel wires out of the tire to sell for scrap- $5 a 100 pounds I believe is what the narrator said! think of how many tires have to be burned like that, putting out clouds of acrid toxic black smoke to add up to 100# worth of the steel wires in them!
Stealing coal from the roadside hills to burn for heat, and Darlene, who had FIVE children, lived in this dump of a filthy shack with no running water and no toilet! She and everyone else around were guzzling the Mountain Dew and beers.

The overwhelming theme in the videos was these people who had no money etc having MULTIPLE children they couldn't possibly afford. The drugs and the multiple children is why these people live like that, time to do something about those doctors handing out prescriptions like that over and over again, require tube tying or something I don't know, but Darlene's daughters went on to have multiple kids of their own in turn while working at dead-end jobs like bag packer at Walmart.

They need to get the kids off the Mountain Dew- every single kid in the video had rotted decayed teeth- they were given Mountain Dew in their sippy bottles as babies, and before age 10 their teeth were completely destroyed.

[Sculptor]

Originally Posted by oneuvakind

Whether you voted for him or not, whether you agree with him or not, right now, there's a lot of happy people who's Christmas will now be a lot different from what they originally thought.

Trump to reveal deal to keep nearly 1,000 Carrier jobs in Indiana

Originally Posted by ischyros

While I'm glad that 1,000 jobs are staying, I want to hear the details. I have to imagine this deal included some major state tax breaks for Carrier. They aren't going to just stay out of the goodness of their heart. And if it does involve major tax breaks, what's to stop other companies from threatening to move to Mexico in order to get more tax breaks? Plus there are other companies that have said they are moving hundreds of jobs out of state. What about Rexnord? That's another 350 people losing their jobs to Mexico. Do they not count? What about United Technologies Electronic Controls in Huntington? Owned by the same company as Carrier and also announced that all 700 jobs will be moving to Mexico. Do those jobs not count?

Originally Posted by warren zee

It did. He basically bribed them to stay. Now having set this presedent, other companies will do the same thing.


It won't effect Trump. He doesn't PAY TAXES like the rest of us. Trump is not your savior - in any way. He drove his businesses into the ground - He'll do the same for America.

Trump threatened them and bribed them with huge tax breaks, the threat was he was going to tack on huge tariffs on every unit brought back into the states- lovely huh? if Obama had done that all hell would have broke loose about how he was threatening and taking over a company, but there's a double standard as usual!

He did NOT save 1,000 jobs, they are STILL moving jobs to Mexico

Carrier is only keeping 800 jobs in Indianapolis, about 300 less than Trumpty Dumpty claims.

Carrier, which employs about 200,000 people, still plans on moving 600 jobs to Mexico. Carrier told its employees that those laid off will receive up to four years of tuition assistance to train for another position or have the chance to transfer to open jobs at other plants.

Pence promised $7 million in incentives


Union officials say the number of jobs saved shrank to 730, once the official paperwork was submitted. The number of fan coil jobs going to Mexico is 553. Counting the UTEC jobs going to Mexico, Trump saved 37 percent of the jobs.)

Greg Hayes, chief executive of United Technologies, told CNN that even more jobs eventually would be lost through automation. “We’re going to…automate to drive the cost down so that we can continue to be competitive,” he said. “What that ultimately means is there will be fewer jobs.”)


In claiming 1,100 jobs, Trump is including 300 jobs that never were going to Mexico in the first place. He also is conveniently forgetting about the 700 jobs from UTEC, though both announcements were made at the same time. Trump tweeted that he will slap a 35 percent tariff on any company that ships jobs to another country, so it’s unclear whether United Technologies snookered Trump or Trump snookered United Technologies.


One thing for sure however- is now he set a dangerous precedent, for any large company can now threaten to move jobs to Mexico so they TOO can get a nice chunk of tax break "incentives" and more out of the Govt, after all, if Trumpy did it for Carrier why can't they get it too? now watch and see a large number of companies see the light and use the tactics to get tax breaks!

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Sculptor

Trump threatened them and bribed them with huge tax breaks, the threat was he was going to tack on huge tariffs on every unit brought back into the states- lovely huh? if Obama had done that all hell would have broke loose about how he was threatening and taking over a company, but there's a double standard as usual!

He did NOT save 1,000 jobs, they are STILL moving jobs to Mexico

Carrier is only keeping 800 jobs in Indianapolis, about 300 less than Trumpty Dumpty claims.

Carrier, which employs about 200,000 people, still plans on moving 600 jobs to Mexico. Carrier told its employees that those laid off will receive up to four years of tuition assistance to train for another position or have the chance to transfer to open jobs at other plants.

Pence promised $7 million in incentives


Union officials say the number of jobs saved shrank to 730, once the official paperwork was submitted. The number of fan coil jobs going to Mexico is 553. Counting the UTEC jobs going to Mexico, Trump saved 37 percent of the jobs.)

Greg Hayes, chief executive of United Technologies, told CNN that even more jobs eventually would be lost through automation. “We’re going to…automate to drive the cost down so that we can continue to be competitive,” he said. “What that ultimately means is there will be fewer jobs.”)


In claiming 1,100 jobs, Trump is including 300 jobs that never were going to Mexico in the first place. He also is conveniently forgetting about the 700 jobs from UTEC, though both announcements were made at the same time. Trump tweeted that he will slap a 35 percent tariff on any company that ships jobs to another country, so it’s unclear whether United Technologies snookered Trump or Trump snookered United Technologies.


One thing for sure however- is now he set a dangerous precedent, for any large company can now threaten to move jobs to Mexico so they TOO can get a nice chunk of tax break "incentives" and more out of the Govt, after all, if Trumpy did it for Carrier why can't they get it too? now watch and see a large number of companies see the light and use the tactics to get tax breaks!

Trump is a con artist and the gullible continue to fall for it. He actually did nothing. Indiana taxpayers appear to be the ones that are saving 730 jobs.

[froglipz]

With businesses It's always about company profits, not about providing jobs!