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Old 05-22-2012, 12:29 PM
 
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That's why the economy is suffering... Companies are lowballing salaries and making salaried people into overtime slaves. I've stood up for myself at job interviews and presented a low minimum wage of $48,000 a year for myself, which is a pathetic wage for someone with 5.75 years experience and my skill set. If a company cannot hire you at a good wage working like a slave for them and doing awesome work will not pay off as they will rip you off when you ask for a salary raise which they will be very cheap on and they will disreguard your achievements.

If I interview at a company that lowballs me I give them the spiel that that's why the economy is suffering... Corporate profits ahead of people. Like Caterpiller is making record profits and they threaten to cut salaries of their workers and increase their health care costs. I stood up recruiter calling me for Caterpiller temp Mech Eng jobs which I tell them the minimum for suck a heavy skill requirement contract job should be $30/hr - they try to lowball me at $27/hr, - which is the rate I will work for them for easier Proe Designer or Technical Writer work.

I interviewed at Cummins Alison and I was among 10 people called for a first interview among 221 competing resumes. I didn't get a second interview despite having perfect qualifications for the job; I had everything they needed but my salary of $48,000 a year was too much for them. I have 2 years of Proe experience, 2 years of Tech Writing, knowledge of PLCS, Industrial Controls, and knowledge of programming good enough to understand and document PC automated machinery - so yes, I should be worth an entry level engineer's salary of $56,000 - which Cummins Alison and Cozzini said "was too much." At this level of skills, knowledge, experience, and school training college is just not worth it. I met a former factory worker who quit factory work at Platt Luggage and has stayed at Home Depot for 15 years - her salary now ... $60,000 + health insurance + a steady easier Home Depot job... But sometimes I think she lied to me about her salary.
Why waste your breath?

It may make you feel good intiially, but that just goes in one ear and out the other, and dosn't improve or solve anything when it's all said and done (especially if it's from someone as relatively unimportant as you). Business will continue as usual.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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lol - some sucker will take the position!

Yes some "sucker" will take the position. Yes, that "sucker" will have a job. Yes, that "sucker" could learn some valuable skills and make some valuable connections that could lead to a better position in the future.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:54 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Yes, it's what they are doing now. Chipping down the wages lower.

You don't answer the phone on the first ring and remember which job out of the 100 jobs you applied to and they get annoyed and pass you by.

I can't wait till this turns around.
If this is the new normal, I think I may emigrate. Again.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:02 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Yes some "sucker" will take the position. Yes, that "sucker" will have a job. Yes, that "sucker" could learn some valuable skills and make some valuable connections that could lead to a better position in the future.
And miss Jerry Springer reruns? (sar, of course)
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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And miss Jerry Springer reruns? (sar, of course)
When I was unemployed for 5 months, I personally did not miss a single episode of Maury . Now I have to DVR it!
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:30 PM
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Location: Tall Building down by the river
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Yes, it's what they are doing now. Chipping down the wages lower.

You don't answer the phone on the first ring and remember which job out of the 100 jobs you applied to and they get annoyed and pass you by.

I can't wait till this turns around.


That's why I apply to those low paying jobs on purpose and ignore there voicemails when they call to setup a interview-lol
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Old 05-22-2012, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Wicker Park, Chicago
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Its actually better to have balance. Late 90s employee shortage put us at a disadvantage vs the world.
The full employment 5-6% unemployed in transition level is best.
1999 was the dot com boom and the economy was steaming hot. IT jobs were the hottest and people were paid great salaries at that time. A labor shortaqge is good for better wages for employees; they get paid well and spend money on stuff which further boosts the economy. The US was ahead of the world in the late 90s and other countries kept asking, "How do we get a Silicon Valley in out country?" I don't think corporate profit were suffering at this time too. And Y2K jobs paid outrageous salaries to IT workers.
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:28 PM
 
Location: NJ
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1999 was the dot com boom and the economy was steaming hot. IT jobs were the hottest and people were paid great salaries at that time. A labor shortaqge is good for better wages for employees; they get paid well and spend money on stuff which further boosts the economy. The US was ahead of the world in the late 90s and other countries kept asking, "How do we get a Silicon Valley in out country?" I don't think corporate profit were suffering at this time too. And Y2K jobs paid outrageous salaries to IT workers.
Long term, a shortage is NOT good for the economy. Firms OVERPAY, and overseas competitors put them out of business. It went well beyond dotcom.
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:37 AM
 
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Yes some "sucker" will take the position. Yes, that "sucker" will have a job. Yes, that "sucker" could learn some valuable skills and make some valuable connections that could lead to a better position in the future.
My point was that she got OVERWHELMING response to her first ad. Everyone (it seems) wants to work at home, create your own hours, etc... yet none of the folks she interviewed fit her idea of an 'ideal' employee... and now she's offering for LESS money... which means she now knows how desperate people are, and can offer them HALF... and someone will take it.

I was lucky enough not to be 'desperate' this time around - I got 6 weeks notice of my lay-off, multiple job offers from my client and boss, references from those I worked with... but chose another path entirely. But I'm always looking for 'more'.

Someone who is desperate will take her job. And a few months later, they will take that knowledge to another company. And she'll be needing to hire again, and now competing against her own training program. It's so much easier to find a job, once you have one. She's shooting herself in the proverbial foot.
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:55 AM
 
Location: USA
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Oh, this is typical.

My favorite example I just saw today.

For the past 2 years, a local national lab has been looking to hire an expert in modeling IR signatures generated by missiles and rockets. The job requirements are so steep that I suspect that there are only a handful of people in the nation who could meet them, so the inability to hire somebody is not surprising.

Today, I just saw the same job turn up as a temporary, contract position in the job listings of a local job-shop?!

So, I guess the logic is that if one cannot fill a full-time, high-requirement position, it makes sense to decrease the pay and job security to attract candidates? Yeah, somehow I don't think that'll work out.

Good luck in your job search.
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