[tijlover]

Originally Posted by SouthernGirl77

Where did i say i didnt understand or agree with the idea of a gated community? I live in one and like it. I was talking to the OP about their curiosity of whats behind the gate. I guess im biased where i come from people have big yards, gardens, etc but around here is mostly rocks, houses too close to the road and on top of each other so not much room for yard decorating or whatever.

You do know, there's older area's of Las Vegas where this still exists! The last month now, me and my ferret have discovered an idyllic oasis in Las Vegas, where we walk for a couple hours between 2am-4am, in the Huntridge district, south of Charleston, east of LV Blvd, north of Sahara, bounded by Eastern.

Nothing gated in that area, older homes dating back to the 1940's, and many, many with lush green lawns, unique, individualistic homes, many built of slump brick/brick/cinder block, all colored differently, with lots of luxury cars parked outside. Most that live there are far from poor! And I believe this crowd of people would revolt if they were told they had to give up their green lawns, or be forced to live in a gated master-planned community in this city!

I have my ferret on a 10-foot leash, so he has many opportunities to wander off the sidewalk to roll around on the grass. And when I head to the car, at home, he struggles to get out of my arms, he can't wait to get in the car and head for Huntridge!

And then there's the Scotch 80's, with more magnificent homes, on the other side of I-15, and again, no gates, lots of lush, green lawns!

So, after find these areas of town, you can take your gated, rocky, newer communities and shove it!
Even if you were to invite us to come in now, we'd turn down your offers!

Tonite we're off to explore yet another area of Huntridge! Anyone want to come along?

[lvoc]

Actually my favorite standard is still Sun City Summerlin. 7700 homes and very low crime.

Couple of things though about crime in gated communities...The targets are those on the edges...either of the development or of the golf course. In Spanish Trail for instance Innsbruck gets hit...even though it is a gated community inside the guard gated Spanish Trail...the problem of course is it is next to Hacienda which is relatively quiet and sparsely used in that area. LVCC gets hit on the Karen side or off the golf course. And a similar pattern appears elsewhere. TPC is practically never hit. Tight security both at the gate and internally. And don't think Sheldon is even a little uncovered..

Crime rate though in 89134...mostly Sun City is about the lowest in town even though ungated. And while TPC is untouched the neighboring tracts, all gated and mostly guard gated get hit worse than Sun City.

The gates do jam up on occasion...and the first responders don't have a good way of handling it. There are places that have first responder capabilities but most don't. I have twice seen fire trucks simply bump the gate hard when there code did not work. Note however if you have congestion around the gates it takes substantial time to sort it out.

I think you get some effect from gating but not a big deal. Makes the residents feel better though.. And you have to be careful. Spanish Trail may be great...unless you live in the best section which probably has a burglary problem close to an ungated place.

[LV10101]

Originally Posted by vtvette

I checked Crimemapping.com for a nice gated area surrounded by a fair bit of crime, The Las Vegas Country Club. There have been 10 burglaries since August 2014 and 3 disturbing the peace incidents.

I then checked our neighborhood in The Lakes between Lake North, Lake South, Crystal Water and Ft.Apache. Again a fine area, not extravagant, and no gates. There have been 7 burglaries, 4 disturbing the peace, 1 auto theft (with a tag saying it was recovered) and 1 assault. This is an area about the same size as Las Vegas Country Club but with a higher concentration of houses as there is no golf course running through the community.

Then I checked Painted Desert as this is a gated community we are fairly familiar with as we looked at several houses there and tried to put an offer on one right as it went to foreclosure so, we just missed it. This is a Guard Gated community. There have been 4 burglaries in the same time period and 3 Disturbing the Peace. I would say Painted Desert is a bit larger a community than the Las Vegas Country Club and a bit more upscale (?).

I then checked Spanish Trails, an upscale Guard Gated neighborhood. 3 burglaries, 3 Assaults and 3 Disturbing the Peace. Interesting that all incidents with exception of one burglary occurred on a property bordering an exterior wall to a major road.

Source: Crime Mapping - Building Safer Communities!

Can someone throw out the name and area of an "average" gated community to check? This would be a community of moderately sized and priced houses with a fence and electronic gate. I know they are everywhere but I'm not familiar with any of them.

Vtvette...I think you are missing the point. You checked the Las Vegas Country Club but then checked an area in a complete different part of town. The idea is where the gated community is located. If you check the Las Vegas Country Club then check the surrounding few blocks in either direction from the Las Vegas Country Club you will realize how much safer it is within the gates of the Las Vegas Country Club. Anyone can check one part of the city and compare it to a completely different part of the city...but that is not what we are talking about, nor does it make sense. I can compare a non-gates area in Beverly Hills to a gated area in Compton and find similar numbers...really think about it.

[LV10101]

Originally Posted by vtvette

The question is... Are they loaded?

I'd be a little surprised if their insurance would allow for loaded guns? God help them if there is an accident.
May just be for looks?

It would be more of a liability if the guns were not loaded...think about it. Liability isn't a one way street, there is liability for employees as well. If one of these security officers was shot on the job while carrying a unloaded gun the lawsuit would be substantial. Furthermore there are plenty of armed security officers in Las Vegas, they get training required by the State and all employers that allow armed security officers...on the flip side there are even more armed citizens with little to no training that carry their weapons...not sure what your issue is with trained armed security officers. I would rather see them then the average citizen with a gun.

[von949]

Not sure how Trident security works but most all armed security companies in LV make the employees provided their own hand gun along with their own *weapons training.


*clean background and weapons safety fundamentals. These guys are not at the shooting range on the regular.

Either way, it's still a deterrent.

[LV10101]

I'm also not sure how Trident Security works but if they fail to train their armed officers then they are creating a huge liability.

I will furthermore say most major security companies in Las Vegas do provide training, including casinos.

[vtvette]

Originally Posted by LV10101

...not sure what your issue is with trained armed security officers.

I'm sorry where exactly did I say I had "an issue" with armed security guards? I'm glad they are armed.
The people who chose to live in Anthem pay a premium and should have armed security.

I posted a simple question. Are the guns loaded? Onlyliveonce answered the question.

Please tell me again where I stated that I "have an issue" with armed guards??

[vtvette]

Originally Posted by LV10101

Vtvette...I think you are missing the point. You checked the Las Vegas Country Club but then checked an area in a complete different part of town. The idea is where the gated community is located. If you check the Las Vegas Country Club then check the surrounding few blocks in either direction from the Las Vegas Country Club you will realize how much safer it is within the gates of the Las Vegas Country Club. Anyone can check one part of the city and compare it to a completely different part of the city...but that is not what we are talking about, nor does it make sense. I can compare a non-gates area in Beverly Hills to a gated area in Compton and find similar numbers...really think about it.

My post was in reply to Raiderman's post on page 15 where he states:

Originally Posted by Raiderman

I guess it makes sense to live inside the gates if the neighborhood is "rough" directly outside. In my case, the neighborhoods are pretty much the same inside and out in this neighborhood, and I still can't get past the thought of having to wait in line to get home. For me, it's just a convenience factor, as there is actually 100% more crime inside the gates than outside (2 burglaries last year inside, as opposed to 1 outside).

But yes, if the gated community was an oasis in a swath of ghetto, it would definitely make sense to be inside.

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vtvette...To believe they aren't loaded is either foolish or having a stereotypical thought of a security officer. Why wouldn't they be loaded. Do police officers have unloaded guns? Also saying "god help them if there is an accident", god help anyone that has a firearms accident. I think your post shows little faith in these officers.

On the other part about comparing neighborhoods, great you were commenting to another post but your reasoning of selecting a gated neighborhood then a non-gated neighborhood in a different part of town makes no sense either way. The Las Vegas Country Club is located in a higher crime neighborhood and yes they do have LOWER crime inside the country club...sorry but that is reality. This whole conversation has been about gated neighborhoods and the neighborhoods outside of those gates...not across town. Again the statistics are clear, which I have mentioned numerous times in this thread.

[vtvette]

Originally Posted by LV10101

This whole conversation has been about gated neighborhoods and the neighborhoods outside of those gates...not across town

I thought this whole conversation was about a guy who wanted to find a nice place to walk his ferret?