[kimba01]

Suburbanization came about in Detroit long before the auto companies pulled out. The problems began when they voted in an idiot Mayor years ago. IMO, there is no comparison. Apples and oranges on so many levels.

But, how 'bout those Lions and Tigers?

[lyra33]

I could be recalling wrong but I remember the 2000 census stating Las Vegas was one of the more integrated cities. I'm sure it has a lot to do with the transient nature of people coming and going. The areas where you see less integration are probably areas that have been around a long time. The Hispanic dropped from 5th to 8th most integrated Hispanic group in the nation. Still, better than most.

ETA: article...

"A high dissimilarity index figure indicates a high degree of
residential segregation. A low figure indicates a relatively low
degree of segregation.
Blacks and whites in the Las Vegas metropolitan area, which
encompasses Clark and Nye counties and Arizona's Mohave
County, had a dissimilarity index of 42.17. Only the Virginia
suburbs of Washington, D.C., had a lower index in the
Albany, N.Y.-based Mumford Center's study of 115
metropolitan areas in 20 states. The national average
hovered around 70."

"Las Vegas' Hispanics
have dropped to the eighth most-integrated out of the 31
urban Hispanic populations larger than 50,000 people that
were studied in the analysis released Friday."

http://www.s4.brown.edu/cen2000/news...iew3172001.pdf

[kimba01]

...and here is a good response to belindab

belindabg, you did do something wrong. You were greedy. You weren’t satisfied with a $250k/year salary so you bought two more homes as investments (rental properties) and you crapped out. You gambled and lost, it happens all the time at the casinos in Vegas. Like it or not, you played a part in the housing bubble. What did you learn? Hopefully to be humble, live simple, quit being greedy, quit being obsessed with money, and rediscover your life’s purpose. You’ve hit rock bottom and survived. Now you gotta decide to either fight or quit. Hopefully fight. Those people who committed suicide decided to quit life because they couldn’t adapt. Adapt is the key word. I knew bad times were coming. Who didn’t see haughty people living far beyond their means. It was obvious the whole thing was a house of cards.
I have a buddy who sold real estate in Vegas during the good, fast money years. He told me of cashing checks ranging from $5,000 to $12,000 several times per month. He made a killing in Vegas but he also lived the high life and spent cash like nothing. He rented a huge home close to the strip and drove nice cars. He partied very hard. He lived a dream for some people. When the crash happened he left Vegas and came back to his hometown state. He now lives in a studio apartment and makes about only $18,000 a year. He talks about how absolutely greedy and careless he used to be. He wishes he would have saved more money from the good years. But he has adapted. Rags to riches to rags. Life moves forward. You learn. Adapt.

[kimba01]

Originally Posted by jfkIII

An intersting piece I ran across. The Perfect Storm...

Las Vegas is to the real estate bubble what Detroit was to the US automobile industry

I do like this part of that article:

Sort of sums up the entire debt fiasco we are now living through. Manhattan, the home of Wall Street gamblers had a sister development in the desert that is sitting empty decaying under the desert sun. Why emulate a place that is largely designed to strip away productivity and wealth from producers in the economy and stick it in the middle of the desert? Unlike Manhattan and Wall Street, Las Vegas doesn’t have a lifeline to the Federal Reserve. Las Vegas is merely another victim in the biggest casino of all which is operated by the Fed and Wall Street.

[airics]

Originally Posted by kimba01

Suburbanization came about in Detroit long before the auto companies pulled out. The problems began when they voted in an idiot Mayor years ago. IMO, there is no comparison. Apples and oranges on so many levels.

But, how 'bout those Lions and Tigers?

And bears!

[Daddys///M3]

Originally Posted by las vegas drunk

"Police officers in the city average $92,400 a year in salary, plus $50,300 a year in benefits. Police supervisors up to the rank of chief average $147,700 a year in salary, plus $72,600 in benefits.

North Las Vegas laying off 21, closing recreation centers - News - ReviewJournal.com

That article reads like it's trying to push a pro-rec center and anti-public servant agenda. And again it offers no citation to back up it's claims. Per the union contract police officers base pay ranges from about $55K per year to $81K per year. Unless the average includes large amounts of overtime I call BS. Again not to say that NLV is not in economic trouble, I think we can all agree that every municipality in the valley and perhaps in the state is in economic trouble. It just seems to me that the new class warfare includes those that chose a life of public service and as such many times the debate uses "facts" that may be skewed to fit an agenda. What's next, arguments against our outrageously "overpaid" military members (please denote sarcasm)?

[dynimagelv]

Originally Posted by airics

and bears!

oh my

[unf0rgiven6262]

Originally Posted by DavieJ89

Do you think the white residents who live in "better" areas of Las Vegas choose to avoid these areas due to racial prejudice towards minorities? Im not accusing you of saying that, but that quote made me think. Granted there are some areas of LV that have high concentrations of minorities, they are really spread out all over the valley

Ex, Centennial Hills has a LOT of African American residents (proximity to North LV maybe?) but its certainly not a bad area (in spite of whats been on the news lately)

There is riff raff of every race. When I lived off Twain and Swenson, some of those most undesirable looking, crazy, dangerous criminals, homeless, lowest of the low were mostly caucasian

Now I am not racist by any means, and granted I am white and live in a "good" area of Las Vegas, but I choose to avoid areas east of I-15 because they are simply not good areas. Race has nothing to do with me wanting to avoid them. My old neighborhood in Orlando is upper middle class and heavily hispanic, but its a great area nonetheless.

All I'm saying is that what you pointed out that the more "affluent" white residents who are living premium lifestyles in Summerlin and Centennial Hills avoid the "ghetto areas" made me wonder how racially prejudiced some of them actually are, or if they simply choose to avoid that area because of its reputation and race has nothing to do with it. I would certainly hope it was the latter, but then again even in 2011, with a black president we have racism everywhere still

As I said, I am not racist. If you're a chill person and got a good head on your shoulders, who cares about race. My last gf was African American and my current one is hispanic nd a majority of my friends are minorities

I'll stop now before I set off any bombs and get myself banned

I absolutely believe there are a good number of people who avoid a number of the areas in this city due to racial prejudice. Will they ever come right out and tell you that? Some will, most won't. That's not to say that the only reason they avoid those areas are due to racial prejudice but it's definitely present. In fact, I've long believed that racism has merely gone underground in this country while being condemned publicly. It's actually more problematic this way because nobody can have a discussion about it without walking on eggshells. Trying to have an adult discussion about racism in this country is like a bunch of 8 year old's talking about boobies.

What I'm trying to say isn't meant to be a sweeping statement. I'm merely pointing out what I see as an unspoken norm. I mentioned it before a long time ago and I'll say it again. If you took all the blacks and Hispanics out of the trouble areas of east vegas and put equally troublesome white people in there I bet you anything people would react differently to those areas. Do I have any facts to back this up? No, but I'd be willing to bet everything I've got on it.

Conversely, if you put dozens of baggy pants stereotypical looking blacks walking around summerlin on every corner you better believe there would be neighborhoods having emergency meetings and housewives afraid to leave their houses.

I personally don't have any problem with anyone of any race. Unless of course if they're being knuckleheads. Fortunately or unfortunately, knuckleheads come in all shapes, sizes and colors.

[kimba01]

IMO, there are people who want to live with "like" people and those who want to live as far as possible from their "type". For a whole host of reasons. Personally, I don't mind living in a diverse neighborhood as long as their are some neighbors that speak English and as long as everyone plays nice.

[DavieJ89]

Originally Posted by kimba01

IMO, there are people who want to live with "like" people and those who want to live as far as possible from their "type". For a whole host of reasons. Personally, I don't mind living in a diverse neighborhood as long as their are some neighbors that speak English and as long as everyone plays nice.

The neighborhoods you described are similar to my old neighborhood in Orlando It was about 70% hispanic, my family knows all their neighbors and are good friends with them. Maybe because it is upper middle class?

IMO a bad area is a bad area regardless of what the majority ethnic group is lving there

I lived in Naugatuck, Connecticut for two years from 2004-2006, a small town of about 30,000 people, 89% non hispanic white. Ghetto, run down, poor, lots of crime, to top it all off with harsh winters

I think I would rather live off Charleston and Nellis than live in Naugatuck again, or anywhere in Connecticut for that matter

And unforgiven, I do agree that racism really just went underground. It even exists in my own family sadly. My 19 year old sister has said nothing but nasty racial slurs about pretty much every girl I dated who wasn't white (which was all of them) and how she hopes my "kids turn out just as stupid and ugly as you and your girl"

I often do notice that a lot of white people feel uncomfortable if their are a lot of different people in the room. I remember working at Vons in Summerlin, and whenver an African American customer came to the store wearing baggy saggy pants, saying phrases like "what it do bruh bruh" they would get a LOT of nasty looks from the mostly white customers

I see it at the Smith's on Durango and Elkhorn as well where I do all my grocery shopping. The non-white customers get dirty or negative looks from the white customers

Then there is reverse racism as well. Which I have witnessed first hand. Whenver me and my girl go out, I get a lot of dirty ugly nasty looks from hispanic men

People need to grow up and just accept that there are all kinds of different people (especially in Las Vegas) and just try their best to get along. No reason to judge anyone by skin color, judge by character