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Old 02-19-2011, 03:54 PM
 
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Davie, you can advance from a minimum wage job if you are a reliable, consistent employee. Steady rudder, even keel. I hired a 19 year woman (she has a child) who is very mature but she is very susceptible to feeling negative about her performance. I had a long talk with her last week and told her that we were running a business. As much as I like this young woman we don't have time for mood swings and tears. She has to step up and be a consistent employee or I will not keep her. It wouldn't be fair to the other employees who are able to perform consistently.

 
Old 02-19-2011, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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So what is wrong with starting with minimum wage? Gets you in the door and opens others down the road! I have seen many people who I do not think are good looking working at various positions in the casinos. All of them. All a matter of opinion there. I am sure pool guys are the typical "hot" and "buff" type, but there are other positions there. Got to be better than a sales commission stress job.

Good luck, Davie!
Nothing wrong with min wage kimba, but all those jobs have very little if any opportunity to advance. And even when those opps do arrive I always get over looked because managers at most companies today promote who they like personally rather than promote based on merit and hard work

I'm not a very likable person in the real world, 99% of the people I meet find me to be annoying or treat me like there's something wrong w/me

I can't be a good salesman because in sales you have to be dominant, in control, aggressive I'm not, I'm submissive and if somebody tells me to shut the eff up even if its still my turn to talk, I do what I'm told. I never have stood up for myself and if somebody tells me they're better than me I agree with them

I'm only submissive to others because often times no mater how badly I want to say something I don't because I hate confrontations, I never win them
I don't think on my feet, I'm too slow for that
 
Old 02-19-2011, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Here and there, you decide.
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i am going to say this once and once and only once since i am tired of trying to help... the Cosmopolitan is hiring big time.. Housekeeping (men and women) needs a help... they are very very short staffed.. my wife who is a turn down (puts robes out etc, checks soap) is working 6-7 days a week since they are so short staffed.. Granted it is not the best job in the world, but in 6 months, she can transfer departments.. The money isn't bad. With tips she's around $15 an hour... plus all the perks... So there are jobs... if you meet the simple qualifications (no criminal record, background, etc... pass personality test etc)
Davy, i hope you had at least the decency to call the Cosmopolitan and try to change your interview.. not like the M where you called and left a message....
I'm done ranting now...
 
Old 02-19-2011, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Home!
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It isn't always about the opportunity to advance there as much as it is about making a wage and learning something, gaining experience that you can then take somewhere else.

If you think you can't be a good salesman, then why in the world would you seek those jobs out? I am like you in that regard. I would stink as a salesperson. I would crumble at the first "no". I would probably take it personally. My dad can sell swamp land in FL. But, I DO like a good confrontation! LOL!

So, are you saying that if you came out to my house, sat by the pool and sipped a drink talking to me, that when you left I would think you were a jerk? I doubt it. Not everyone is that way. Try not to be so paranoid. People are just people. They get out of bed and put their pants on just like you, one leg at a time.

You are talking yourself out of good possibilities.
 
Old 02-19-2011, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Home!
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i am going to say this once and once and only once since i am tired of trying to help... the Cosmopolitan is hiring big time.. Housekeeping (men and women) needs a help... they are very very short staffed.. my wife who is a turn down (puts robes out etc, checks soap) is working 6-7 days a week since they are so short staffed.. Granted it is not the best job in the world, but in 6 months, she can transfer departments.. The money isn't bad. With tips she's around $15 an hour... plus all the perks... So there are jobs... if you meet the simple qualifications (no criminal record, background, etc... pass personality test etc)
Davy, i hope you had at least the decency to call the Cosmopolitan and try to change your interview.. not like the M where you called and left a message....
I'm done ranting now...
Dang, wish I was there now, FT. MI house will be on the market on Wed. Fingers crossed that it doesn't take a zillion years to sell. Can't wait to be out of this RE mess here. There are other challenges, but I will take them a step at a time.

Good post! +1
 
Old 02-19-2011, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Upstate NY!
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So, are you saying that if you came out to my house, sat by the pool and sipped a drink talking to me, that when you left I would think you were a jerk?
I don't know what I'd think of Davie...but I might think of you as Cougar...stalking its prey!
 
Old 02-19-2011, 05:09 PM
 
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Nothing wrong with min wage kimba, but all those jobs have very little if any opportunity to advance. And even when those opps do arrive I always get over looked because managers at most companies today promote who they like personally rather than promote based on merit and hard work

I'm not a very likable person in the real world, 99% of the people I meet find me to be annoying or treat me like there's something wrong w/me

I can't be a good salesman because in sales you have to be dominant, in control, aggressive I'm not, I'm submissive and if somebody tells me to shut the eff up even if its still my turn to talk, I do what I'm told. I never have stood up for myself and if somebody tells me they're better than me I agree with them

I'm only submissive to others because often times no mater how badly I want to say something I don't because I hate confrontations, I never win them
I don't think on my feet, I'm too slow for that

Davie, I think you are selling yourself far too short.

Think of all the radical things you have done in the last year. Think of all the people whos respect you have gained simply by being an upright dude! You have a lot of guts!

Overcoming a fear of confrontation in business and personal relationships is a skill and it's related to another skill (which I still have a long way to go on) called tact. These are learned skills. Self respect and self dignity have to come from within and it's a shame if anyone has told you that you're no good, because I would like to think that you know that isn't true.

You've gotta get that pendulum of mood swings under control my friend. It always swings a little further than you want. I know how tough that can be. Finding your true calling...something you can be truly passionate about...is where it's at! You have to be able to divert that negative energy into something else. Maybe art? Maybe music?

Are you surrounding yourself with the right people? Have you found or reached out to someone whom you can rely on to mentor you or keep you accountable to your goals? Is there someone in your life who can feed a source of inspiration?

I'm sure it's difficult to think long term when you have a new sales job to stress out over and we all could use a bit of hope. People in this town who have enjoyed long careers are finding themselves out of work. The service industry is a fun youth job, but there will always be the constant threat of younger people pushing you out of the way as Vegas increases its reputation for being a youth market.

It may sound like I am discouraging you from taking a service job but I am actually suggesting that you find one now while you still can. People come to Vegas to have a good time and have fun, so find a job where you can help people in their quest! Find a means to an end so you can use your time to invest in yourself while you're eeking by on a meager wage. Maybe you can go to a trade school or something else at the community college while you work? Maybe you can find a few dedicated room mates to live with that share similar goals.

Talk to successful, self-made people who are in their 30's. Ask them about their twenties. I guarantee a common theme you will find is one of delayed gratification. The pitfalls don't stop there. Ask anyone who set themselves up for "the good life" in their twenties, who are now in their thirties, about their debt structure and the stress of having a home and two car payments, college loans that never seem to go away, etc.

And I'm not even going to get into the topic of marrying too young and starting a family ill prepared.

Davie, it all seems like a cosmic joke the way life seems to happen around us. If you take a moment to just be patient and set some goals for yourself, you can easily avoid a lot of that stress. I think the military for someone as bright as yourself is still a very good option for you. Just think that after four years, you could learn a good trade and if you stay out of debt and keep the idea of starting a family at bay, you can pretty much write your own ticket when you get out for school!

Do a good job and you can make a career you can be proud of from it.

Discipline buddy. Take the next few years to invest in yourself. Explore your passions. Set a few goals for yourself just like you did when you decided to come to Vegas.

There isn't anything you can't do. Dreams don't just happen to other people. You can make them happen for yourself.

Now is this enough of a dose of rainbows and unicorns to get you through the week?

Hang in there dude. (Contrary to how cheesy the above lines are, I really believe that about dreams.)

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Old 02-19-2011, 05:15 PM
 
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And people think treating kids like they are delicate flowers is a good idea? Playing soccer games where nobody wins or losses and never allowing kids to experience conflict. You end up with people who are terrified of real world situations and zero faith in themselves. There's obviously a balance here but if there's one thing I've noticed working in social services, it's that each generation is growing up with little to no confidence in themselves. It can all seem scary and overwhelming but it's like the monster in your closet you just couldn't rationalize wasn't there. It's only as tough and heartless a world as you want to make it. If you hate a certain type of job- don't work it. Money isn't going to do you much good when your rolling around in a mental institution because you couldn't trust your own instincts. Go through your day in the moment, not projecting "what if" into the future and not living in the past saying "poor me" all day either. Before you know it, life has passed you by and all you did was repeatedly say those two phrases over and over in your head. Your mind is a tool just like any other. I like to think of it as a fire hose. You either control it or it controls you. When you let it run wild with irrational fears it's the equivalent to being flung around by the fire hose completely out of control.

Ultimately a career is preferable to a job. If you have to ask which one you're currently in, it's a job. You do what you have to do and you move on. NOTHING stays the same. The only thing that matters is that you keep positive momentum in your life. We all start from the same point and end at the same point. The only difference is how you get there and the only thing needed to move from point A to point B is momentum.
 
Old 02-19-2011, 05:17 PM
 
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Great posts Spaynard, Airics and Pink. Someday it will get thru your thick skull Davie that when we take the time to write to you about whatever is going on and give you advice, we are good people that care about another good person. You can be whatever you want to be if you program yourself to be so and get the education to back yourself up. No, it is not easy.

What a great vacation MMoB you must be having. You are so fortunate also to have someone in your life that is a good companion for doing all those great things.

Kimba, hope you're sitting down but my house in Ohio on the Michigan line took 6 yrs. to sell. Ask the listing realtor what the typical days on the market are running. It was very sad. A custom built ranch on the water, 8 years old and I had to sell for $79K less than we paid just to get out of it. I wanted to get out here and start a new life and I got to thinking one day, "how much is it worth to do that?" People out here think it is so bad in Las Vegas. They have no idea. Back there nothing sells for more than $100 a square foot. My daughter and her husband live somewhat near you in Brighton. They have a $600,000 house on 3 acres on the golf coarse that is now worth $200,000 less and probably wouldn't even sell at that because the auto industry is decimated. They are probably trapped for the rest of their life unless they want to walk away and be pikers.

My thoughts will be with you and hope for the very best.
 
Old 02-19-2011, 05:26 PM
 
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And people think treating kids like they are delicate flowers is a good idea? Playing soccer games where nobody wins or losses and never allowing kids to experience conflict. You end up with people who are terrified of real world situations and zero faith in themselves. There's obviously a balance here but if there's one thing I've noticed working in social services, it's that each generation is growing up with little to no confidence in themselves. It can all seem scary and overwhelming but it's like the monster in your closet you just couldn't rationalize wasn't there. It's only as tough and heartless a world as you want to make it. If you hate a certain type of job- don't work it. Money isn't going to do you much good when your rolling around in a mental institution because you couldn't trust your own instincts. Go through your day in the moment, not projecting "what if" into the future and not living in the past saying "poor me" all day either. Before you know it, life has passed you by and all you did was repeatedly say those two phrases over and over in your head. Your mind is a tool just like any other. I like to think of it as a fire hose. You either control it or it controls you. When you let it run wild with irrational fears it's the equivalent to being flung around by the fire hose completely out of control.

Ultimately a career is preferable to a job. If you have to ask which one you're currently in, it's a job. You do what you have to do and you move on. NOTHING stays the same. The only thing that matters is that you keep positive momentum in your life. We all start from the same point and end at the same point. The only difference is how you get there and the only thing needed to move from point A to point B is momentum.
It never ceases to amaze me that you are only a few years older than Davie.
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