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really now; what did you think the SOA, DAI & PBA were going to do? Last time I checked, that's what a union is supposed to do; look out for it's members interests...The least three times the county came & asked, all three answered.
These contracts are a drop in the bucket compared to what happens if the state's credit goes to crapville.
Is that near Albany?
04-04-2011, 03:41 PM
grant516
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Originally Posted by rocafeller05
The whole state just needs to file bankruptcy to get rid of all these contracts.
Certain things like retirements benefits, pensions, and health coverage would still be required to be paid out even if the NYS these people worked for went bankrupt- as law today states.
Not paying, is in fact the only solution people will have at a point.
Are their salries too high?? Yes. The problem i have is they have a contract, and the county is just going to ignore it. That IS illegal. Should they renegotiate? Absolutely! But the county has no right to just freeze their pay.
Actually, it is perfectly legal. NIFA has the authority to freeze wages of all county workers. They haven't overstepped the powers that were given them. Plus, the state has set the precedent that a municipalities solvency is more important than contracts to public unions.
Are their salries too high?? Yes. The problem i have is they have a contract, and the county is just going to ignore it. That IS illegal. Should they renegotiate? Absolutely! But the county has no right to just freeze their pay.
Stop the hysteria. The wages are irrelevant. What is relevant is that the police unions have made concessions for several years running through re-negotiating their contracts at the request of the county. Now with a change of administration NIFA steps in and effectively nullifies the contracts, despite the fact that good-faith negotiations were made by both parties. (You don't see any of the teacher's unions having wage freezes imposed on them without the benefit of negotiation.) The political rhetoric has to separated from the legal issue at hand: when does government have the right to unilaterally break contracts with its employees?
By the way, research a bit and discover just how many Sheriff's deputies there are in Nassau County (Corrections Officers aren't included). It's not like Suffolk where there's an existing force of uniformed patrol personnel. The Sheriff jobs in Nassau and Suffolk Counties are very different and the Nassau Sheriffs Department is not capable of assuming the duties of the Nassau Police Department.
Regarding teachers: they would be in the exact same boat as the County employees if they were under Nassau County. Their only saving grace is that the school districts are all separate little government entities of their own. If not and the ones located in Nassau were a part of Nassau County, NIFA would be doing the same thing to them.
Regarding "when does a government have the right to break contracts with its employees" -- I would say you need to read exactly what NIFA's charter says for the where, when, how and why.
According to Newsday: In 2007, 26,000 people applied for the police officer's exam in Suffolk. Of those, only 140 were hired. I know it's a tough job but from these figures we can conclude that there is NO shortage of individuals willing to put their lives on the line for the exceptional pay and benefits that police officers earn. Why is Nassau County so utterly unable to use the law of supply and demand in determining police pay? Their contracts CAN'T last forever.
You think Suffolk County is good at using the law of supply and demand when it comes to hiring police officers? LOL. Their rates of pay are even more lavish than Nassau's is ... and even with all those candidates available, pay keeps going UP, UP, UP ... the exact opposite of what the "supply and demand" formula in the real world would be with 26,000 applicants for 140 positions.
Are their salries too high?? Yes. The problem i have is they have a contract, and the county is just going to ignore it. That IS illegal. Should they renegotiate? Absolutely! But the county has no right to just freeze their pay.
Absolutely. You can't cut a contract, but you can get the results on the renegotiations.
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Crapville? Is that on facebook too? Seems there's a ville for everything, these days...
