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And yet Long Island seems to be the exception seeing how most places in the country seem to have those same professionals working for costs more relative to median incomes of the area. Only on LI do you see teachers and police running around with near or exceeding entire household incomes.
Further, your analysis is completely ignorant of the facts. Doctors and other medical professionals have been sitting somewhere around or under inflationary costs since the 80's, not so with our vaunted public-sector golden cows.
No, everyone knows doctors make way more money than any LI teacher or cop whether the salary is under the inflationary costs or not. Primary care physicians may not make as much but many specialists make $250-$300K+. My friend's father is a dermatologist and he makes $500K+, one year he made close to one million. The difference is doctors have to pay into malpractice, pay off medical school loans, or put some of that money toward their practice but they still are making way more than any 20 year LI teacher or cop. For pharmacists, the average starting salary is $110K on Long Island.
And I stand by as I said, if you want to live comfortably on Long Island you need to bring in $200K, if you want to live pampered you need $400K+. Anything below that is just surviving or poor IMO.
No, everyone knows doctors make way more money than any LI teacher or cop whether the salary is under the inflationary costs or not. Primary care physicians may not make as much but many specialists make $250-$300K+. My friend's father is a dermatologist and he makes $500K+, one year he made close to one million. The difference is doctors have to pay into malpractice, pay off medical school loans, or put some of that money toward their practice but they still are making way more than any 20 year LI teacher or cop. For pharmacists, the average starting salary is $110K on Long Island.
And I stand by as I said, if you want to live comfortably on Long Island you need to bring in $200K, if you want to live pampered you need $400K+. Anything below that is just surviving or poor IMO.
So your response is to have confiscatory taxes to inflate public sector employees skipping over the fact that the real household income is less then half of your "comfortable level".
Also, FYI, starting salary of a pediatrician out of school is about $98,000 or so. So many teachers and most police are making more then them. Yes specialists make somewhat more, but usually less then what you describe. Cardiothoracic surgeons and neurosurgery make a bunch, but they are also seeing much of that cost going towards malpractice and repayment of loans for the 10-12 years of extra school after college.
So your response is to have confiscatory taxes to inflate public sector employees skipping over the fact that the real household income is less then half of your "comfortable level".
Also, FYI, starting salary of a pediatrician out of school is about $98,000 or so. So many teachers and most police are making more then them. Yes specialists make somewhat more, but usually less then what you describe. Cardiothoracic surgeons and neurosurgery make a bunch, but they are also seeing much of that cost going towards malpractice and repayment of loans for the 10-12 years of extra school after college.
Teachers and cops should get paid a good salary because it's a service profession. Do I think their salaries should be lowered to what a private sector business employee (i.e. video game marketer, real estate agent)..NO!
Pediatrics is a specialty but they are more on the level of primary care physicians. While the starting salary is only $98K the average salary is about $160K on Long Island. Yes specialists pay a large amount into malpractice or loans but most are making way more than the average LI teacher or cop. I know this because I'm a research scientist so I have to work with many doctors. I also have several friends that went to medical school. In fact, most specialty doctors, dentists, and pharmacists I know on Long Island live in big houses on the North Shore or some other upscale town. I don't know any teachers or cops that have as much wealth and as big of a house.
And yes you need to make $200K because as I said most of the reasonably priced housing stock on Long Island is old and small. So many people waste money on house expansions, additions, and renovations here because of this. It doesn't make sense, especially since so many people here on this board are miserable with property taxes. Like what woody516 said, why don't they just move to Florida, North Carolina, Colorado, or Texas where the taxes are much lower and they can buy new McMansion for less than $300K on a bigger property.
I just don't get it. If people are soooo miserable with LI taxes, why don't they move? Is LI Teabagger going to complain for the next 50 years? OR is he going to pack his bags, sell the home, and MOVE? It's common sense to me. Less than $200k and you could easily be living large in NC or FL....Why be miserable and stay in NY and pay these absurd taxes?
AND YET, he's not going anywhere. I've heard Nassau residents complaining about the taxes since I was a kid in the 70s. Wah - wah - wah!!!!! It's sooooo annoying.
I don't get it either, but there are a lot of threads on here about why people leave and why people stay. And honestly? I ran into enough people from Long Island who transplanted themselves in the D.C. area that I'd be willing to wager that many, if not most, people in situations like that do indeed leave, instead of rant endlessly. What's that they say about insanity? It's doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time. You'd think that after so many years of this, people would cut their losses and move on if they're that miserable. Life is short.
Florida is a pit of despair, though. I would never recommend that anyone move there.
The average cop and teacher salary on LI is no where near as much as what a doctor, pharmacist, research scientist, dentist, or CPA working for a reputable accounting firm makes. A lot of lawyers don't make as much as you think and now it's harder to come across good law jobs these days because there are too many lawyers in the Northeast and not enough jobs.
It's funny because I don't hear people complain that doctors, pharmacists, research scientists salaries are too high because their health insurance costs too much. But I guess people rather pay six figure higher salaries to doctors than teachers. I'm a junior research scientist and I think anyone who works in service (e.g. cops, teachers) should get paid a high salary because it's a helping profession.
Are you seriously trying to compare teachers and cops, to doctors? Do you realize how hard it is to become a doctor? Not because of 5000 applicants for one overpaid position...It's due to the rigorous and lengthy education requirements to become a Doctor. Comparing it to the requirements to become a teacher is laughable. To a cop--absurd.
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That's funny apparently indeed.com says that the average teacher salary on LI is $48,000. Unless this is skewed by including private school teacher salaries as well.
Table A. Average (mean) annual wages for secondary, middle, and elementary school
teachers in the United States and metropolitan areas in New York, May 2010
Secondary Middle Elementary
Area School School School
United States $55,990 $54,880 $54,330
New York 70,400* 70,670* 67,940*
That's ~$86,000 mean...very close to the *Household* median income on LI ($91k) and significantly above the US avg. I'm assuming this doesn't include pension and healthcare, tenure, the "part-time" aspect of teaching, and other intangibles.
It's not about being flashy, and a 4+ bedroom house with a big kitchen doesn't have to be a McMansion. I just don't prefer the older, smaller housing stock on most of Long Island. If you go outside Long Island you'll find many suburbs container newer housing stock consisting of modern colonials that are designed more spaciously. My cousin and his wife recently bought a 10 year old, 5 bedroom, 3 bathroom, large kitchen with an island house with a pool outside Tampa for less than $300K. If you can find that here it would be $700K+ depending what town you live in. It doesn't make sense. My friend has been house hunting in the suburbs of Denver and almost all the houses were built in the last 10-15 years with a decent size property. He found a nice house with 4 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms for less than $350K. It's not about having a big house, Long Island houses need to be priced at what's appropriate compared to what you can get in other metro areas.
Stop. Are you saying you are smarter than the entire RE market? Do you need a primer on how real estate works? Ok, here you go:
Supply
Demand
Done.
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Everything on LI costs too much. Not just school taxes but housing, auto insurance, gas prices, groceries, and other amenities. Being close to NYC isn't a good enough reason to have such high housing prices, especially when other cities in the country are up and coming. Oh and of course the taxes are out of control because there are too many school districts that refuse to merge.
Are you new to Long Island? Perhaps you should visit sometime to see what other benefits we have besides being close to NYC.
And the taxes are not out of control for the reasons you say (refusing to merge) or the "technological advances" as someone else tried to rationalize it as . That has little to do with it. 80% of school budgets are salaries & benefits. That's it.
I have had enough of this. My school tax has doubled since 2004. My house continues to lose value year after year. These leeches have sucked every dollar of disposable income out of.our pockets. Why do we stand for this? Abolish the teachers union. Cut all admin salaries by 50%. Cut all teacher salaries 30%. Don't like it? Good bye. We have teachers and admin tripping over themselves to land one of these jobs. The schools have not improved one iota since 1990 yet we pay triple the cost for it. For what??? We need to draw a line in the sand here and now. The schools are good reason is not reason enough to overpay for it. They would be good anyway without the ten thousand $tax bill.
A little secret the schools don't want you to know........it's our kids that make the schools great.....not the other way around.
Amen brother! After you get done cutting all those salaries - I'd like to retro-actively cut their pensions in 50% too. And to make sure that these government-employed parasites don't get out of control again in the future - you would have to outlaw public sector unions as well.
I think the frustrating side is that the money that is paid out comes from the public tax paying working force.
In the private sector, it is the private companies that are paying the salaries. My dh works in the private sector and his pay raise this year was $1 per hour ; after working there for 7 years. There is no way he is even close to $86,000 a year
I don't get it either, but there are a lot of threads on here about why people leave and why people stay. And honestly? I ran into enough people from Long Island who transplanted themselves in the D.C. area that I'd be willing to wager that many, if not most, people in situations like that do indeed leave, instead of rant endlessly. What's that they say about insanity? It's doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time. You'd think that after so many years of this, people would cut their losses and move on if they're that miserable. Life is short.
Wash, rinse, repeat as necessary.....
As far as taxes go...anyone born,raised or moves to L.I. automatically acquire that extra chromosome known as WPHT ( we pay high taxes) and have a right to complain no matter how good or bad their doing. It's as natural as breathing, so please give them a pass...........thank you and have a wonderful day
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If you've already answered this, I apologize for being repetitive:
What is the average salary for a teacher with 10-15 years experience in your county?
You haven't asked previously this table http://hcps2/human_resource/EmpBenef...ry%20Scale.pdf show the pay. A teacher with a bachelors and 15 hours towards a masters would receive $45,616. I would guess that a step corrolates to number of years. All the districts in this region run roughly the same.
If you factor in the length of time and cost of going to school, malpractice insurance, and then free pension and medical, a LI cop is making siginficantly more than many doctors over the course of their career. Sure a plastic surgeon makes a million dollars but that's an outlier. Teachers are not far behind. There are not 10K people paying $100 to take a test to get 200 doctor slots for a reason.
The comparison is completely absurd.
Pharmacists are paid significantly less then cops and teachers if you factor in all compensation and cost of schooling. Another absurd, if less so, comparison.
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