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Like marigold said, you'd only see a small amount of savings from losing administrators, but those people would all remain in some capacity or retire to the golden sands of the NYS pensioners.
Transportation would be a huge issue. There are many school districts on Long Island that own their own bus fleet. Same with the buildings - who then becomes the owner of some of these buildings? There are occasional rumblings here that the town of Cary should break off and have its own schools - problem is they'd have to buy the schools from the county. Not gonna happen. And it's not gonna happen on Long Island that the Towns (Hempstead, Oyster Bay, Huntington, Brookhaven et all) or the counties are going to buy the buildings and bus fleets from the districts.
I can tell you that my single biggest issue in living in a county wide system is with the transportation. It's a problem I have learned to brace for every August, and the transportation director knows my name. Would never fly on LI aside from what I posted above. Like OBH said, who takes the kids from Hempstead, Roosevelt and Central Islip? Do you house the high schools in those areas, or do you bus those kids out? What becomes of all the high school buildings? Can't put kindergartners in those buildings. Can't put high schoolers in buildings where the water fountains will be at their knees. And so on.
Like marigold said, you'd only see a small amount of savings from losing administrators, but those people would all remain in some capacity or retire to the golden sands of the NYS pensioners.
Transportation would be a huge issue. There are many school districts on Long Island that own their own bus fleet. Same with the buildings - who then becomes the owner of some of these buildings? There are occasional rumblings here that the town of Cary should break off and have its own schools - problem is they'd have to buy the schools from the county. Not gonna happen. And it's not gonna happen on Long Island that the Towns (Hempstead, Oyster Bay, Huntington, Brookhaven et all) or the counties are going to buy the buildings and bus fleets from the districts.
I can tell you that my single biggest issue in living in a county wide system is with the transportation. It's a problem I have learned to brace for every August, and the transportation director knows my name. Would never fly on LI aside from what I posted above. Like OBH said, who takes the kids from Hempstead, Roosevelt and Central Islip? Do you house the high schools in those areas, or do you bus those kids out? What becomes of all the high school buildings? Can't put kindergartners in those buildings. Can't put high schoolers in buildings where the water fountains will be at their knees. And so on.
So the system is too broken to be fixed?
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As noted, the voters overall rarely ever vote no in my experience. I feel LI residents in general love to throw money at the system without question. I feel there are diminishing returns of student performance once salaries get THAT high.
I know I maybe flamed for this. Also the budget for special needs students are really out of control. SD in general are obsessed with testing kids & catering to every little issues with ever ballooning budgets. I remember reading how special needs students easily cost 100k plus per child....sometimes far far more. I heard as high as 150k per child. All this is very burdensome for the school budget.
You won't get flamed because you're obviously ignorant on the subject.
You won't get flamed because you're obviously ignorant on the subject.
So what is the cost for a special ed student tuition to a BOCES program like Carman Road or Henry Viscardi School in addition to cost of transportation?
You won't get flamed because you're obviously ignorant on the subject.
Nothing all that erroneous in his post. Mandated IEP services are a major money pit. No district has the testicular fortitude to argue any doctor/parent proposed service. It's a political quagmire. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I've seen IEP's specify a kid go to a speech or PT specialist in Rockland County on a school bus BY THEMSELVES, paid for by the district due to the IEP. As though there is no qualified specialist locally. Pretty much anything a parent desires and a doctor will sign off on must be provided by the district's Spec Ed/PPS department. $100k doesn't sound far fetched at all. Some kids are getting $10k in transportation alone, forget about all the other professional services (OT, PT, Speech, Tutoring, In Home services, Nursing, Interpreting, tuition at special schools, on and on). I don't begrudge serving kids most in need but denying it's a HUGE piece of the budget problem is either naive or just plain ignorant.
In fact, Spec Ed/PPS services is one place where consolidation COULD save some serious money. More centralized/shared services would mean fewer rubber stamped professional service contracts and blank checks to service providers...and unnecessary trips to Rockland County.
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Nothing all that erroneous in his post. Mandated IEP services are a major money pit. No district has the testicular fortitude to argue any doctor/parent proposed service. It's a political quagmire. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I've seen IEP's specify a kid go to a speech or PT specialist in Rockland County on a school bus BY THEMSELVES, paid for by the district due to the IEP. As though there is no qualified specialist locally. Pretty much anything a parent desires and a doctor will sign off on must be provided by the district's Spec Ed/PPS department. $100k doesn't sound far fetched at all. Some kids are getting $10k in transportation alone, forget about all the other professional services (OT, PT, Speech, Tutoring, In Home services, Nursing, Interpreting, on and on). I don't begrudge serving kids most in need but denying it's a HUGE piece of the budget problem is either naive or just plain ignorant.
In fact, Spec Ed/PPS services is one place where consolidation COULD save some serious money. More centralized/shared services would mean fewer rubber stamped professional service contracts and blank checks to service providers...and unnecessary trips to Rockland County.
I know someone whose autistic kids go to summer camp, all summer, all day, all paid for by the school district because they "need" it. It costs a fortune.
Never gonna happen... one word: Most Powerful Teacher's Union in the land (okay, that's seven words).
The Teacher's Union is hugely powerful here in NYS and no one will challenge the status quo. Just look at how much they (the teachers and administrators) are making. It's flippin' huge compared any other state.
The UFT controls Albany and has even challenged Gov Andi's 2% property tax cap (which isn't really a tax cap, but that's for a different thread).
Nope, get used to footing those gargantuan property tax bills... that's how the UFT wants it here in NYS.
I don't even understand why this subject keeps getting brought up. It's as pie in the sky as Long Island becoming its own state. It's not going to happen.
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