Why Do School Boards Give Teachers These Outrageous Contracts? (Huntington: tax return, to live)

[crv1010]

RE:I am getting 10 weeks off.

You said you work 184 days...how's that 10 weeks off? 184 dived by 5 equals 36.8 weeks. I'll give you 37 weeks. That means you get15 weeks off per year (assuming you never use sick days, personal days, emergency days, etc etc.) Hence the part time designation.

As an aside a relative of mine happens to be a teacher on LI. Her district's having exams this week. Yesterday she was home by 12:15 in the afternoon. Proctored one exam and the rest of the days was all hers. At her salary level she made about $800.00 (not including benefits) for standing in front of a classroom and looking pretty.Great for her Not so great for the taxpayers!

[fyrisle]

Originally Posted by crv1010

Here you go...Islip is not the exception its the rule. All teachers are very well paid regardless of performance. And again...... for a part time position.

Islip Union USDF Schnebel Susan A $190,000
Islip Union USDF Lippman Linda A $167,223
Islip Union USDF Veglia Vincent $164,619
Islip Union USDF Slowey Pauline L $162,417
Islip Union USDF Rossman Eileen M $162,096
Islip Union USDF Druckman Diane $155,096
Islip Union USDF Evert William S $150,002
Islip Union USDF Mollenhauer Karen Q $136,227
Islip Union USDF Zeterberg Michael T $135,000
Islip Union USDF Martin Timothy P $134,149
Islip Union USDF Fernando Gary T $133,028
Islip Union USDF Semel Ellen J $133,000
Islip Union USDF Garmendia Marisela $128,907
Islip Union USDF Drago Glenn A $128,666
Islip Union USDF Rosado Marc A $127,345
Islip Union USDF Panariello Robert $126,842
Islip Union USDF Loreto Alfred D $123,469
Islip Union USDF Volkmann Karen L $121,663
Islip Union USDF Tomlinson Ellice A $121,443
Islip Union USDF Shanahan Kathleen M $121,287
Islip Union USDF Arciello Charles E $121,227
Islip Union USDF Gould Barbara A $120,318
Islip Union USDF Vouris Barbara $118,737
Islip Union USDF Cotter Susanne C $118,649
Islip Union USDF Patrovich Joseph $118,243
Islip Union USDF Quackenbush John P $117,589
Islip Union USDF Delise Lucille $117,392
Islip Union USDF Ferritto John S $117,340
Islip Union USDF O'Malley Kristine M $117,243
Islip Union USDF Trecartin Violet S $116,691
Islip Union USDF Guinta Susan M $116,683
Islip Union USDF Carbone Mary E $116,556
Islip Union USDF Ramsey Joan D $116,531
Islip Union USDF Kuhner Emily L $116,521
Islip Union USDF Meagher Susan E $116,478
Islip Union USDF Dockswell Rita $116,451
Islip Union USDF Steinbrecher Theresa M $116,451
Islip Union USDF Colucciello Linda A $116,451
Islip Union USDF Johnson Elizabeth Ann $116,416
Islip Union USDF Merlino Kathleen M $115,451
Islip Union USDF Lange Suzanne S $114,953
Islip Union USDF Pagliaro Gina M $114,751
Islip Union USDF Prisco-Sosa Paulette V $114,751
Islip Union USDF Hirsch Philip T $113,753
Islip Union USDF Manzari Marie E $113,355
Islip Union USDF Burton Judith S $113,090
Islip Union USDF Feminella Jeannette M $112,806
Islip Union USDF Lamendola Thomas J $112,723
Islip Union USDF Perrillo Stephen $112,433
Islip Union USDF Weisman Rochelle $111,501
Islip Union USDF Rivera Valerie A $111,393
Islip Union USDF Juengerkes Curtis R $110,913
Islip Union USDF Sullo George J $110,623
Islip Union USDF Bandura Douglas M $110,484
Islip Union USDF Ward Elizabeth $110,403
Islip Union USDF Roth Judith M $110,134
Islip Union USDF Doheny Kelly J $109,914
Islip Union USDF Austin Debra A $109,485
Islip Union USDF Scheidel Keith M $109,363
Islip Union USDF Mileski Ingrid J $108,093
Islip Union USDF Atlas Jeffrey J $108,017
Islip Union USDF Mac Donald Helen M $107,673
Islip Union USDF Duncan Patricia A $107,666
Islip Union USDF Coyne James P $107,571
Islip Union USDF Claps David M $107,293
Islip Union USDF Murphy Lori J $107,013
Islip Union USDF Senese Matthew R $106,295
Islip Union USDF Brown Craig T $105,217
Islip Union USDF Scheel Debra J $105,109
Islip Union USDF Argenziano Michael P $104,385
Islip Union USDF Doheny Matthew T $104,261
Islip Union USDF Pramataris Peter J $103,324
Islip Union USDF Mahoney James J $103,142
Islip Union USDF Cummings Stacey L $103,142
Islip Union USDF Knoth Barbara A $103,056
Islip Union USDF Hayes Maura L $102,954
Islip Union USDF Riche Susan M $102,745
Islip Union USDF Vogelsberg Laura E $102,328
Islip Union USDF Reilly Michael P $102,272
Islip Union USDF Perrillo Elaine B $102,013
Islip Union USDF Wenzel John H $101,663
Islip Union USDF Dwyer Lee W $101,456
Islip Union USDF Austin Patricia M $100,599
Islip Union USDF Lopienski Andrea A $100,313
Islip Union USDF Lampasone-Rogers Patricia $100,313
Islip Union USDF Zellman Mary M $100,280
Islip Union USDF Hayden Debra A $100,082
Islip Union USDF Lally Philip J $99,137


I invite you to look up other districts:

New York State | Public Employee Payrolls & Pensions on SeeThroughNY

http://www.lischooltax.com/08-9TS.pdf

And you have to remember that the pensions paid for these people, many whome retire by 55, is 85% of their final salaries.

[JDMBA]

Originally Posted by fyrisle

And you have to remember that the pensions paid for these people, many whome retire by 55, is 85% of their final salaries.

60%....man, this thread is like heroine

Also, even though it's testing week, we still are supposed to be in school for seven and a half hrs by contract..I can't just get up and leave

800 for the day? That's 4k a week, we work 40 weeks, so that's 160,000 that your friend is getting paid? Come on. I'm willing to play but we have to be fair here and tell the truth.

[crv1010]

Originally Posted by JDMBA

800 for the day? That's 4k a week, we work 40 weeks, so that's 160,000 that your friend is getting paid? Come on. I'm willing to play but we have to be fair here and tell the truth.

I guess you don't have your MBA in math & law school does not teach math. You said your contract requires you to show up 184 times per year. 184 divided by 5 ( five days in a typical work week) equals 36.8 weeks...I'll give you 37 weeks....where are you getting the extra three weeks from ( Union talking points?)

$800 per day for 184 days equals a salary of $147,200 Many many teachers with time on make that on LI AND that does not account for benefits & pension costs....so yes that teacher probably costs taxpayers over $1000.00 per day when everything's factored in. Crazy huh?


RE: Also, even though it's testing week, we still are supposed to be in school for seven and a half hrs by contract..I can't just get up and leave


I'm sure there are plenty of "wink and nods" on that policy. Just curious, what's the work load like for those teachers that do in fact stay in the building after exams?

[7CatMom]

No teacher retires at age 55 with an 85% pension!

My husband is now 60 and if his district opts in to the new early retirement incentive from the state, even he won't be making 85% after about 38 years of teaching - and he is in a high paying district.

Get your facts straight.

[crv1010]

RE: and he is in a high paying district.


Is there a non-high paying school district?

[JDMBA]

Originally Posted by crv1010

I guess you don't have your MBA in math & law school does not teach math. You said your contract requires you to show up 184 times per year. 184 divided by 5 ( five days in a typical work week) equals 36.8 weeks...I'll give you 37 weeks....where are you getting the extra three weeks from ( Union talking points?)

$800 per day for 184 days equals a salary of $147,200 Many many teachers with time on make that on LI AND that does not account for benefits & pension costs....so yes that teacher probably costs taxpayers over $1000.00 per day when everything's factored in. Crazy huh?


RE: Also, even though it's testing week, we still are supposed to be in school for seven and a half hrs by contract..I can't just get up and leave


I'm sure there are plenty of "wink and nods" on that policy. Just curious, what's the work load like for those teachers that do in fact stay in the building after exams?

Are the personal attacks really necessary here? I really wonder if you would say these things to my face. Instead of continuing this debate, I will pray for you. I really think God spoke to me and said stop this. I feel like this whole thing is making me a bad person and down a road I'm starting to feel really uncomfortable going. I'm going to try my best to resist going on this and talking about teaching etc and avoid this mean spiritedness.

[Coachgns]

Why is it "outrageous" for teachers to make enough money to live in the District in which they teach?
Problem is, they CAN'T! In most cases.
Just look at median or average housing prices in a few towns in NAssau. Port Washington, for example, the median price is $612,000, and the Average is $1.4 million (Skewed by a few super expensive Sands Point Homes). Roslyn is $828,000 Median and 1.1 Mil average. These are towns where people with equivalent education to teachers often live - people with a Graduate degree. No teacher can afford to live there unless the teacher is not the primary income producer. $150,000 per year just won't buy a $600,000 house!
Even some cheaper towns on Long Island are impossible: Long Beach has a Median of $437.000. Nope - $150,000/yr won't cut it there. Merrick $438,000. Not there either.

So why should someone who chooses to be a teacher have to accept a salary that will not allow them to live like others similarly educated?

The "system" is still "antiquated" in many ways - going back to the time of most teachers being women, mostly married, and mostly living off their husbands' salaries. Tis not like that anymore as we all know.

As to the argumants made here about ridiculous pensions, and how to pay for our education system, I'm mostly in agreement with those who find the pensions unreasonable, and the current tax system of using property taxes to pay for the schools no longer workable. And the many many separate school systems - that is nuts! Nassau Schools and SUffolk Schools. That should be it. Think of the savings there.

BUT - Bottom Line: Teachers are professionals just like Doctors & Lawyers & Accountants & Chemists & Architects & Engineers, etc., and they should be compensated in kind.

[crv1010]

[quote=Coachgns;14695135]Why is it "outrageous" for teachers to make enough money to live in the District in which they teach?
Problem is, they CAN'T! In most cases.
Who said teachers have to live in the district they teach in? I'd love to live in Old Brookville but can't afford to so I live elsewhere. By the way how many teachers that teach in Hempstead,Uniondale, Roosevelt, Wyandanch choose to buy houses there?


Just look at median or average housing prices in a few towns in Nassau. Port Washington, for example, the median price is $612,000, and the Average is $1.4 million (Skewed by a few super expensive Sands Point Homes). Roslyn is $828,000 Median and 1.1 Mil average. These are towns where people with equivalent education to teachers often live - people with a Graduate degree. No teacher can afford to live there unless the teacher is not the primary income producer. $150,000 per year just won't buy a $600,000 house!
Even some cheaper towns on Long Island are impossible: Long Beach has a Median of $437.000. Nope - $150,000/yr won't cut it there. Merrick $438,000. Not there either.
Yea...and how many people would love to buy a condo in Manhattan at $2,000 a sq foot? So if you can't afford it live elsewhere. Besides teachers could easily work 2nd & 3rd jobs with the 20 weeks off they get.

So why should someone who chooses to be a teacher have to accept a salary that will not allow them to live like others similarly educated?
Really you have no idea what people with advanced degrees are making in this economy...that's if they can find jobs.

The "system" is still "antiquated" in many ways - going back to the time of most teachers being women, mostly married, and mostly living off their husbands' salaries. Tis not like that anymore as we all know.
What does that have to do with anything?

As to the arguments made here about ridiculous pensions, and how to pay for our education system, I'm mostly in agreement with those who find the pensions unreasonable, and the current tax system of using property taxes to pay for the schools no longer workable. And the many many separate school systems - that is nuts! Nassau Schools and SUffolk Schools. That should be it. Think of the savings there.
The issue is not which taxpayer or what tax will pay for public schools...the issue is that they're no longer sustainable with the bloated salaries & benefits package for part time work. It really is that simple.

BUT - Bottom Line: Teachers are professionals just like Doctors & Lawyers & Accountants & Chemists & Architects & Engineers, etc., and they should be compensated in kind.
Ahhhhh the standard teachers union talking point (along with "its for the children") I pay for teachers bloated salaries and obscene benefits package with my hard earned tax dollars. All those other professions are in the real world, work 240/260 days a year and are on edge every day wondering if they're getting laid off. I get to choose if I hire those professions based on skill, abilities and cost!!

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by Coachgns

Why is it "outrageous" for teachers to make enough money to live in the District in which they teach?
Problem is, they CAN'T! In most cases.

And, where is it written that teachers should be able to live in the school district where they teach?

Or, for that matter, where is it written that any person that performs a job should be able to live in the area where they work?

Originally Posted by Coachgns

Just look at median or average housing prices in a few towns in NAssau. Port Washington, for example, the median price is $612,000, and the Average is $1.4 million (Skewed by a few super expensive Sands Point Homes).

Many, if not most teachers, earn extra money during their various winter, spring and summer breaks, in addition to tutoring income, and could well afford to buy a home that is 3X their annual income (their reported income is generally less than their annual income).

Originally Posted by Coachgns

Even some cheaper towns on Long Island are impossible: Long Beach has a Median of $437.000. Nope - $150,000/yr won't cut it there. Merrick $438,000. Not there either.

Certainly a house that is 3X their reported income is well within the reach of someone who earns $150K.

Originally Posted by Coachgns

So why should someone who chooses to be a teacher have to accept a salary that will not allow them to live like others similarly educated?

Because teacher education is not the same as those who have advanced degrees in real subjects.

Originally Posted by Coachgns

Teachers are professionals just like Doctors & Lawyers & Accountants & Chemists & Architects & Engineers, etc., and they should be compensated in kind.

Bull.