LAPD Will Not Work With Trump Administration: Beck (Beverly Hills: live in, law)

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by majoun

Agreed
The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are not harming anyone and many make productive contributions to L.A. It is true that South L.A. is a safer place because of them in particular. As are Compton and Long Beach. However - it is unfair to legal immigrants, who make massive sacrifices to come to the US, and puts our security in danger to tolerate illegal immigration like we do. The danger caused by terrorists, extremists, and gang members who come illegally necessitates that The only other country which tolerates illegal immigration to the same extent as we do is Great Britain - and that's exactly the reason why Brexit passed. No one else does. We are being played.

Criminal illegals,and illegals involved in terrorism, and illegals who use public benefits, need to be deported. They do not benefit our society and we are better off without them. Gang members in particular should be deported.

If the California political class loves sanctuary cities so much then they should work to get a constitutional amendment passed that would allow states to make their own immigration policy. They would find plenty of support for this from the other side of the aisle.

Yes I agree . I'm always seeing liberals just look at things on the surface . We can't look at things with rose colored glasses anymore . I wonder if they suffered crime from illegals or knew someone killed by an illegal if they would have their same tune . Yes many are just trying to work without harming anyone but that's not the whole story .
Unfortunately we have a mainstream media that has had a liberal slant. It's too politically incorrect that they simply ignore the issues or brush over things .
I used to read the print LA Times a lot and the stories were always about people hear illegally that had hearts of gold .
We know from this election how the media colluded with Clinton camp with the goal of getting Hillary elected .
People like Hillary Clinton and Eric Garcetti are hypocrites. Elites that have armed guards around them 24/7 and live in the poshest of areas telling the peasants not to fear criminals here illegally and if you do you are the R word . Racist .

[Hippityhop]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Good old jm has his "ignore button" on so he just blathers on while the truth is illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens do. Proven fact. So, if the illegals increase in LA, as he suggests (but they won't), crime will actually go down. Not up.

That's because they know that if they're caught there's a high likelihood of being deported. Pretty decent deterrent.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by hippityhop

that's because they know that if they're caught there's a high likelihood of being deported. Pretty decent deterrent.

bingo

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by Hippityhop

That's because they know that if they're caught there's a high likelihood of being deported. Pretty decent deterrent.

Yes people are taking advantage of laws because they know they can exploit them in cities like LA and SF.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Hippityhop

That's because they know that if they're caught there's a high likelihood of being deported. Pretty decent deterrent.

Yes. I never suggested it was for any other reason. Obvious. Nevertheless, my point was to correct the fallacy of illegal immigrants being major perps of violent crime. They're not. The reason is immaterial to my correction.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Yes people are taking advantage of laws because they know they can exploit them in cities like LA and SF.

This doesn't follow any of the observations and proofs just provided. Unsurprisingly. What laws are being taken advantage of and in what way are they being exploited? This is gibberish.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by majoun

Agreed
The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are not harming anyone and many make productive contributions to L.A. It is true that South L.A. is a safer place because of them in particular. As are Compton and Long Beach. However - it is unfair to legal immigrants, who make massive sacrifices to come to the US, and puts our security in danger to tolerate illegal immigration like we do. The danger caused by terrorists, extremists, and gang members who come illegally necessitates that The only other country which tolerates illegal immigration to the same extent as we do is Great Britain - and that's exactly the reason why Brexit passed. No one else does. We are being played.

Criminal illegals,and illegals involved in terrorism, and illegals who use public benefits, need to be deported. They do not benefit our society and we are better off without them. Gang members in particular should be deported.

If the California political class loves sanctuary cities so much then they should work to get a constitutional amendment passed that would allow states to make their own immigration policy. They would find plenty of support for this from the other side of the aisle.

Excellent, fair and balanced observations. No indulgence in fallacious hyperbole either. Well put, majoun +1

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

All this talk about illegal immigrants committing less crime than natives and feeling safer in neighborhoods with them seems fine until you realize that they're all breaking the law by being here and skipping the line which other foreigners have to go through to get in. So yes in essence they're 'criminals' in a way anyways despite the fact that they commit less violent crime than the native population.
They could be all Buddhist monks that wouldn't harm a fly, it doesn't matter, this cognitive dissonance we have regarding illegal immigrants is getting foolish. The media keeps mixing them up with ALL immigrants and just because they may commit less crime it doesn't mean some commit no crime, so can they at least do something about the criminal illegals?
I mean the press is treating this notion as though the illegals are akin to runaway slaves and people who want to enforce the laws on the books as racist plantation owners or something. It's ridiculous. I mean it seems as though they're looking for amnesty as the only solution.

I never addressed illegals' innocence or criminality beyond addressing the myth that they commit "violent crime" at higher rates than citizens. They don't. In fact, one of the studies I quoted and linked acknowledged there was a slight attribution to increase of property crimes.

There's no "cognitive dissonance" by anyone including the media. Much media attention was given the issue as Trump attacked the Mexican illegals as being criminals. The media reported on validated research findings. That's not "cognitive dissonance". And the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants was addressed in multiple studies.

For some illegals, they are similar to "runaway slaves" from Central American countries where violence and vendettas are killing people at extraordinary rates. Families flee to save their children's very lives.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

I never addressed illegals' innocence or criminality beyond addressing the myth that they commit "violent crime" at higher rates than citizens. They don't. In fact, one of the studies I quoted and linked acknowledged there was a slight attribution to increase of property crimes.

There's no "cognitive dissonance" by anyone including the media. Much media attention was given the issue as Trump attacked the Mexican illegals as being criminals. The media reported on validated research findings. That's not "cognitive dissonance". And the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants was addressed in multiple studies.

For some illegals, they are similar to "runaway slaves" from Central American countries where violence and vendettas are killing people at extraordinary rates. Families flee to save their children's very lives.

First off I wasn't addressing you personally, secondly the illegal immigration debate was here long before Trump. My point if you brothered to comprehend it at all is that it doesn't matter if they commit actual crimes or not, them being here without proper documentation is against the law. They're breaking the law regardless. That's where the dissonance is at that I mentioned. Seriously once again you can't comprehend.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by majoun

Agreed
The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are not harming anyone and many make productive contributions to L.A. It is true that South L.A. is a safer place because of them in particular. As are Compton and Long Beach. However - it is unfair to legal immigrants, who make massive sacrifices to come to the US, and puts our security in danger to tolerate illegal immigration like we do. The danger caused by terrorists, extremists, and gang members who come illegally necessitates that we not tolerate illegal immigration. The only other country which tolerates illegal immigration to the same extent as we do is Great Britain - and that's exactly the reason why Brexit passed. No one else does. We are being played.

Criminal illegals,and illegals involved in terrorism, and illegals who use public benefits, need to be deported. They do not benefit our society and we are better off without them. Gang members in particular should be deported.

If the California political class loves sanctuary cities so much then they should work to get a constitutional amendment passed that would allow states to make their own immigration policy. They would find plenty of support for this from the other side of the aisle.

Fixed.