The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Orange, San Fernando: developer, close to, sink)

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Why lock up anyone for any crime ? Let’s just let people do whatever they want even if it negatively affects others.

Because perps are victims and crime victims deserve what's coming to them anyway and because incarceration seperates families and ruins lives.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Why lock up anyone for any crime ? Let’s just let people do whatever they want even if it negatively affects others.

We lock people up for a few reasons:
1)To punish them
2)To send a message to others who might commit the same crime that they can lose their freedom for it.

Keeping a homeless person in jail does not punish them because they at least get a shower and a cot to sleep on, something they don't have on the streets and other homeless people are not deterred from sleeping in public because someone else went to jail for it, most of them have no choice- especially in LA where there is only shelter space for 20% of the homeless.

So you tell me what keeping a homeless person who has not committed an actual crime, i.e. theft or an act of violence accomplishes.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Because perps are victims and crime victims deserve what's coming to them anyway and because incarceration seperates families and ruins lives.

Any "perp" (which is a TV show term that no cop has ever used) whether homeless or not deserves to be arrested and kept in jail in order to protect the public from violence. That has nothing to do with this this thread which is, as far as I can recall, about homelessness. The discussion involves the incarceration of people for status offenses, which basically means something that involves the crime of being homeless.

I used to watch Reno cops arrest homeless people, sometimes 4 or 5 in a single hour for jaywalking or panhandling, usually they were arrested by a 3 officer unit. Processing time including report writing and transport to the jail probably took 3-4 hours. The "perps" were back on the street a few hours later, yeah that works so well

[jm1982]

Maybe the situation would be even worse than it is if they didn’t get arrested at all . So you can’t say there is no point to arrest them . They are being arrested for committing crimes . Cops can’t arrest someone for not committing a crime right?

Also what about the high amount of felonies ? Thought the homeless don’t commit more crime than the general population .

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Maybe the situation would be even worse than it is if they didn’t get arrested at all . So you can’t say there is no point to arrest them . They are being arrested for committing crimes . Cops can’t arrest someone for not committing a crime right?

you've got 50k plus homeless and they arrest, what 13,000 a year for "quality of life" offenses and the number of homeless is increasing every year? It sure doesn't look like arresting them is much of a deterrent, does it?

Originally Posted by jm1982

Also what about the high amount of felonies ? Thought the homeless don’t commit more crime than the general population .

We had this discussion before, in this thread if I remember correctly. LA decided that when a person is booked and 'declines' to state their address they are considered homeless. That doesn't even make sense and there are plenty of people in LAPD and LASO that agree that it's inflating the statistic because it includes housed people who simply refuse to give their address to the Police. There are plenty of people who don't carry and ID and do not want the cops to know where they live because they don't want their residence searched.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

you've got 50k plus homeless and they arrest, what 13,000 a year for "quality of life" offenses and the number of homeless is increasing every year? It sure doesn't look like arresting them is much of a deterrent, does it?
We had this discussion before, in this thread if I remember correctly. LA decided that when a person is booked and 'declines' to state their address they are considered homeless. That doesn't even make sense and there are plenty of people in LAPD and LASO that agree that it's inflating the statistic because it includes housed people who simply refuse to give their address to the Police. There are plenty of people who don't carry and ID and do not want the cops to know where they live because they don't want their residence searched.

So all the felonies aren’t committed by the homeless but people that don’t want to give an address ?
Sounds legit ...

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

So all the felonies aren’t committed by the homeless but people that don’t want to give an address ?
Sounds legit ...

That's not what I said and you know it.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

How long do you think someone should be kept in jail for a status offense, like sleeping in public or blocking a sidewalk with a tent? A week, a month, life???? How will the duration of their jail term change one single thing about their being homeless?

Why do you ask?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Why do you ask?

I was responding to this post:

Originally Posted by jm1982

Maybe the situation would be even worse than it is if they didn’t get arrested at all . So you can’t say there is no point to arrest them . They are being arrested for committing crimes . Cops can’t arrest someone for not committing a crime right?

[Finper]

Face it cops in LA and OC have given up. The pendulum has shifted to the why bother side so they don't. My step bro was attacked by a homeless guy at his shop. He was so injured he spent 2 days in hospital. When the cops arrived he pointed where the guy went and described him to the cops. Not one of them even bothered to look for the guy. The homeless have won ... they rule this town.