Maryland a NORTHEASTERN state (Baltimore, Laurel: move to, station, radio)

[U146]

Originally Posted by ialmostforgot

"Also outside of DC and Baltimore the state is mostly of German ancestry much like Pennsylvania"

If by "German" you mean "Black" and "English", sure. North of DC and Baltimore are the more German areas. Remember that Germans also formed a part of Southerners' ancestry. Montgomery country is a German-ancestry place (not sure if it always was--now there are mostly transplants in the area) and in the '70s it had a southern accent.

Here's evidence you can't refute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German...-by-County.jpg

[EddieOlSkool]

I posted this in another thread, but I feel it bears repeating here:

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

But let's not forget that one of the reasons Maryland isn't considered Southern is simply because many people don't know very much about it. Most people who know nothing of Maryland think it's much further North than it really is, that it's in New England, that it's short drive from Baltimore to Boston, that it's incredibly cold and snowy, and that people there speak with New York/Boston accents. I'm not making this up, many people who have never been think Maryland is part of greater New York and when you mention to them that it was once part of the South, they act all surprised and say "MARYLAND???" It's almost as if they think Maryland is just another name for Massachusetts. I mean, most people in the US know what the Mason-Dixon line is. Whether you consider it to be a division of North vs. South is irrelevant. Because most people who aren't from the East Coast don't know that the Mason-Dixon divides Pennsylvania and Maryland (the North-South border). Most people don't know where the hell the line is, or what it divides. Those that do know, apparently think it's too far North (even though it's technically a bit further South than the middle of the country). A lot of not-to-scale US Maps are to blame for this. These same maps extend Maine way too far North, past the 49th parallel, which explains why people think Maryland is more North than it really is.

I agree that Maryland is a state that has much fewer Southern characteristics than states that are in the unarguably Southern area, but at the same time, it does have a surprising amount of Southern characteristics that people who know nothing about the state would be very surprised to learn about. People who don't know anything about Maryland are surprised to hear that fried chicken is popular there, that pit beef is a thing, that sweet tea is enjoyed even in Baltimore, that it's very Black, that its rural counties and native Whites therein are very Republican, and that the Baltimore accent sounds the way it does. Then again these are the same people who think that Philadelphia is just another New York suburb, so there ya go. I even saw a poster here say that "fuhgeddaboutit" was a common phrase in Maryland.

[ialmostforgot]

Originally Posted by U146

Really, I have no knowledge at all? I've been all over the Eastern United States and I've been to MAryland several times. It was never Southern any of those times. You think you've won haven't you? You seem to think only a local knows the truth. I've been there enough times to draw my own conclusions and FYI you are the minority of people living there that considers it Southern.

No, you just know less than others with more experience. And that direct message you sent me? Please calm down!

Yes, most people in Rockville probably think the moved to a northern state. Who cares! If anything, geography determines the region of a state (this is why Florida can never be a northern state).

[ialmostforgot]

Originally Posted by U146

Here's evidence you can't refute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German...-by-County.jpg

I wasn't trying to "refute" your statement. Check again and look at county-by county percentages, especially in the populous suburban counties.

[ialmostforgot]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

After experiencing Louisville, KY, I have come to this conclusion:

Louisville is the Baltimore of the Midwest. Because it is hotly debated as whether it is Northern or Southern, it has a Southerny/not so Southern dialect, it has the exact same climate, it has a lot of the same White ethnic populations (Italians, Jews), and many people there get offended if you call them Southern. Interestingly enough, while it has a higher population than Baltimore, it is rarely debated much on these forums, and that's probably because on a national scale, it gets very little recognition.

Actually, Baltimore is weather and is in or near the range of more southern plants. Of course, this should be expected of Louisville because of its elevation and distance from the shore.

Edit: It's actually less than a degree warmer on average, so forget that.

[U146]

Originally Posted by ialmostforgot

No, you just know less than others with more experience. And that direct message you sent me? Please calm down!

Fine let's call a truce and end this.

[ialmostforgot]

Originally Posted by U146

Fine let's call a truce and end this.

A truce? This was never a war. You simply said all of these things about Maryland but did knew not much about the state. I, as someone who has lived here for the vast majority of his life, told you what actually was happening (such as "Anne Arundel county is not that far north along the bay" or "Transplants are more likely to think that MD is northern (there are people from Harford country who get annoyed when someone calls them "Northern" even though they are from northern MD))" and you still ignored my links basing some of your claims off of maps and others of nothing. I'm glad you are willing to end this discussion and invest less energy in this debate.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by ialmostforgot

Actually, Baltimore is weather and is in or near the range of more southern plants. Of course, this should be expected of Louisville because of its elevation and distance from the shore.

Edit: It's actually less than a degree warmer on average, so forget that.

I forgot to add that Baltimore is on average one degree cooler than San Francisco if we were to use annual temps. Again, not that this makes Maryland Southern, but it makes it a lot warmer than people think.

[ialmostforgot]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

I forgot to add that Baltimore is on average one degree cooler than San Francisco if we were to use annual temps. Again, not that this makes Maryland Southern, but it makes it a lot warmer than people think.

But SF is stuck in an eternal spring. Most wouldn't know that Maryland's temperatures are similar to Tennessee's.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by ialmostforgot

But SF is stuck in an eternal spring. Most wouldn't know that Maryland's temperatures are similar to Tennessee's.

True. Most people think it's a cold, Arctic wasteland. What's funny is that how they deal with snow is more characteristic of the South than the North.