09-07-2020, 12:38 PM
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Schools have reopened in most of the rest of the world without significant problems. The risk is relatively low and the reward is huge.
Where else have schools reopened, where the number of cases are still has high as this country?
09-07-2020, 12:51 PM
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The "schools shouldn't reopen" mantra is misplaced.
and that’s putting it kindly!
09-07-2020, 01:08 PM
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I'm of the opinion that basically nothing is more important than getting schools public school opened again. I'm happy to forgo all the other possibly risky stuff that people seem to think is more important (gyms, bars, restaurants, casinos) because it's stuff they like.
If we shut down schools for a full year or more, there are going to be a lot of kids that fall permanently behind. The "schools shouldn't reopen" mantra is misplaced. Schools have reopened in most of the rest of the world without significant problems. The risk is relatively low and the reward is huge.
I follow news in the UK where they've had a really hard time with this pandemic. Some schools opened two weeks ago and the numbers are spiking now--same numbers as back in May--and will no doubt get worse as more schools open. Teachers are getting sick and it sounds like it's going to be a mess again.
Almost everything is a tragedy for almost everyone during this time period. Not too many people are enjoying this. As a former first grade teacher, I know the little kids need to be in school more than anyone. For the very young, school is a form of socialization, getting along with others, and learning the basics. They can't really learn remotely either. Their parents usually don't have time or energy to take care of them at home.
So I'd rather have the elementary schools open and the high school kids would have to suck it up for six months or so, until the vaccine is out there. Remote learning for high school isn't ideal but these are unusual times. Kids that age are also out and about and would spread it more than elementary school kids. So I think it makes more sense for the high school kids to stay home or maybe use a hybrid method--online and also in person but in very small groups. There have been times in this world when kids couldn't go to school at all and anything is better than nothing.
09-07-2020, 01:13 PM
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Where else have schools reopened, where the number of cases are still has high as this country?
Massachusetts has about 50 new cases / day / 1MM people. New cases are geographically concentrated in a few cities.
France has about 100 daily new cases / day / 1MM people. They reopened schools (again, they also reopened in spring) starting September 1.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...e?country=~FRA
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ses.html#cases
France has about 10x as many people as Massachusetts.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/01/w...-students.html
A study on transmission by schools:
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/def...ust%202020.pdf
Looking at the rules, the school openings in Europe are less strict (not partly remote, social distance = 1m not 6 feet) and in many cases only those in high risk groups are excused. Here, parents are completely free to opt out of in-person schooling entirely.
09-07-2020, 01:17 PM
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I follow news in the UK where they've had a really hard time with this pandemic. Some schools opened two weeks ago and the numbers are spiking now--same numbers as back in May--and will no doubt get worse as more schools open. Teachers are getting sick and it sounds like it's going to be a mess again.
Almost everything is a tragedy for almost everyone during this time period. Not too many people are enjoying this. As a former first grade teacher, I know the little kids need to be in school more than anyone. For the very young, school is a form of socialization, getting along with others, and learning the basics. They can't really learn remotely either. Their parents usually don't have time or energy to take care of them at home.
So I'd rather have the elementary schools open and the high school kids would have to suck it up for six months or so, until the vaccine is out there. Remote learning for high school isn't ideal but these are unusual times. Kids that age are also out and about and would spread it more than elementary school kids. So I think it makes more sense for the high school kids to stay home or maybe use a hybrid method--online and also in person but in very small groups. There have been times in this world when kids couldn't go to school at all and anything is better than nothing.
I'm with you on this. I actually suggested (although clearly not to the right people) making the high school fully-remote so that the elementary students had space to do fully in-person learning using the high-school facilities. I honestly would have preferred remote learning in high school, but I'm sure most HS kids could suffer through and learn.
09-07-2020, 01:23 PM
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If I'm staying home to treat my cold, how am I spreading it? Are you saying it's ok if I run around spreading a cold if I knew it wasn't Covid?
There's already enough overly anxious nervous wrecks wandering around that I can't go out even with a common cold. Coughing in public invokes almost as much fear now as hearing gunshots.
You ought to have allergies if you think a cold/cough invokes fear! Sneezing cause you cant stand the disinfectants doesnt make you very popular with the nervous wreck crowd.
09-07-2020, 04:39 PM
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I just don't see this going away any time soon. This popped the academia bubble that's for sure.
Ok so this happens in March
First they said that public schools would close for a few weeks. Then it was the end of April.
https://www.wbur.org/edify/2020/03/2...il-coronavirus
Then it was the end of the year.
Then the summer hit
Now many aren't going back this fall.
WHO states a vaccine won't start until mid next year.
So consider who just entered higher ed. They went online for school starting March. They didn't have a prom or graduation. They still are going online at higher ed and more than likely for their first year. Technically speaking we could have students that spend 18 months without physical instruction person to person (March 2020- September 2021).
But here's the rub. Is academia really going to have students come back? Ask yourself this. If the students and faculty don't feel safe then they are going to HAVE to have online classes as part of every class. Look I have a number of degrees and took a few classes online myself. We're talking a handful out of a masters, bachelors and associates. Unless an academic institution truly puts their classes online they are going to lose students to those that do.
Even if a vaccine comes out next year and works that's only relative to our own country. We aren't hearing about vaccines in Latin america and africa. Unless this is shared globally (which I doubt the current administration would want) the only way they can attend class is online. Online classes don't care if they are in the country or not or have COVID or not, it's and equalizer.
It would be unethical for academia to not provide an online option has western nations develop a vaccine while the developing world waits. Now if they do that they have to also provide it to other students as well because well attending class and going to a dorm adds up for costs.
So what happens to all the "extra" of academia? Well look at what happened to gateway cities when they put all in one basket. The long and the short of it is I would bet dollars to donuts that dorms eventually become low income housing. There's demand for housing but students themselves would be lower. No one wants empty buildings all over boston. Under theory we could see empty dorms for months if not years. People complain about the price of boston housing so ok here you go.
09-07-2020, 05:04 PM
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Unless an academic institution truly puts their classes online they are going to lose students to those that do.
If anything, it's the opposite, which is why the schools are doing as much as they can to have in person instruction, or at least scheme to say they will to get the money and then back off later. Remote learning doesn't work.
I realize most students are in it for the piece of paper but no way you are dropping 30k+ for crappy remote learning.
09-07-2020, 05:47 PM
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I just don't see this going away any time soon. This popped the academia bubble that's for sure.
So what happens to all the "extra" of academia? Well look at what happened to gateway cities when they put all in one basket. The long and the short of it is I would bet dollars to donuts that dorms eventually become low income housing. There's demand for housing but students themselves would be lower. No one wants empty buildings all over boston. Under theory we could see empty dorms for months if not years. People complain about the price of boston housing so ok here you go.
I’ll take that bet. Universities will be fully in-person as soon as it’s practical again to do so.
Even if it were allowed, it’s not nearly enough to significantly lower the cost of housing in inner Boston. That space would get sold off to developers who will never throw money away converting it into lower cost housing beyond what the city forces or subsidizes them to. If they did try, you can rest assured that everyone who spent the cash to get in to the inner neighborhoods aren’t about to let their home values plummet and would fight it.
09-07-2020, 07:43 PM
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I’ll take that bet. Universities will be fully in-person as soon as it’s practical again to do so.
Even if it were allowed, it’s not nearly enough to significantly lower the cost of housing in inner Boston. That space would get sold off to developers who will never throw money away converting it into lower cost housing beyond what the city forces or subsidizes them to. If they did try, you can rest assured that everyone who spent the cash to get in to the inner neighborhoods aren’t about to let their home values plummet and would fight it.
That's what they said in every gateway city across New England.
Fight what. 40B has been the law for generations. The property owners can't get revenue without tenants. Some signed leases and they are on the hook for them even if they don't attend class. That's why some are already subletting their units.
History has shown this to be true time and time again. Reliance on a given industry that falls leads to higher unemployment and then lower rents and property values and who then moves in. How many more announcements of the closing of bars, stores and restaurants will it take to convince you? Regardless of who wins the white house the immigration policy isn't going to really change until the developing world gets the vaccine.
If academia doesn't allow online education that means those in those countries are stuck back home and cannot attend even online.That's really bad PR. Heck Mbas have moved mostly online.
Crappy remote learning? Ivy league has been promoting it for decades. MIT courseware was one of the first.
Also keep in mind many communities don't want students back if they spread it. There are many areas that can't deal with covid clogging the ERs and ICUs.
Remember since late July buildings could be half occupied in Boston but it's only 5%. If companies don't want you break why should academia?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/...e-they-return/
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Most Common Occupations - Legal occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Education, training, and library occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Healthcare practitioners and technical occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Health diagnosing and treating practitioners and other technical occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Health technologists and technicians (%)
Most Common Occupations - Service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)