Police overtime budget cuts (Boston: promotional, to live, restaurants)

[msRB311]

So what do you all think of people who are Navy SEALs, green berets and army rangers? do they fall into the same category as cop? I mean their job is often to kill people.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Bettafish

LOL H1B workers reside in the US (in this case, Cambridge MA) and receive prevailing wages, otherwise USCIS won't approve it. No outsourcing involved at all.

Google is one of the best IT companies in the world, and have one of the highest bars for hiring. Google provides one of the highest salaries in this industry too. Most other companies pay less.

You seriously think there are no qualified individuals for these positions anywhere in this country? H1Bs not exploited???


Google is ALL about maximizing profits boss, similar to most of these companies.

Originally Posted by Bettafish

Some of my friends work in China as engineers or (low-level) tech managers, and their salary is typically around 50k USD. The average software engineer salary in Chinese big cities is about 185,000 RMB (28k USD)


In China police officers with 10 years experience usually make about 10k USD. The national average salary of police officers in China is 50400 RMB, or about 7,700 USD

Interesting, but not a valid comparison. And I don't pretend to know much about policing in China (or tech there for that matter), but I can guarantee you enforcing the law over there is a much easier and simple task than here. It has a largely compliant public, and a legal system catering to the state as opposed to the individual. I imagine requirements for the job are much lower as a result.

Originally Posted by Bettafish

But an engineer typically needs a BS degree, which requires passing calculus, linear algebra, general physics, and a load of specialized courses.
With the educational system in the US, what percentage of people can possibly handle it even if they try hard?

The percentage is low, but in numbers still high. Same idea with a police officer. While it usually doesn't require a degree, one must possess other qualities and abilities that most people simply do not have. Are we talking more common or rarer than an engineer? No idea. Neither are really comparable. Point is both are jobs the average person is not suited for, hence the relatively good pay both command.

Originally Posted by Bettafish

We are not talking about salaries only. We all know cops make a big chunk of money from OT and details, not base salaries.
Other professionals need to work over time too, but for "free".

I'm willing to bet that the Framingham police officer bringing home 120K/year is putting in more hours and weekends/holidays than the Google software engineer pulling in the same.

Originally Posted by Lampert

In what case? You are claiming the AVERAGE policemen has a job more difficult than an average software engineer. I am not talking about the commissioner, or even detectives.

I have no idea about the "AVERAGE", but I can say with a great certainty there are software engineers out there putting out less than the average police officer (and vice versa).

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by msRB311

So what do you all think of people who are Navy SEALs, green berets and army rangers? do they fall into the same category as cop? I mean their job is often to kill people.

I don't know, but I find the anti-veteran jabber from some here to be despicable.

[id77]

Originally Posted by msRB311

In it for the control and domination of what?

Most of cops I know who are vets are older (like 40 or above). I dont know any millennials joining the military these days, they're too good for that.

If asked what a cop does, if the first thing that comes to mind is catch/arrest/shoot at bad guys, you’re part of the problem. If other cops or your union come before your community, you’re part of the problem. If you go into any situation assuming the other party is the enemy and a potential threat, you’re part of the problem. If you think simply having the badge entitles you to respect and deference from civilians, you’re part of the problem.

The problem is many of these ideas are also exactly what is taught to soldiers. Cops are not soldiers. Cops are not meant to be domestic military, but through failures in our system we’ve allowed them to become militarized. That’s a big problem that needs corrected.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by id77

If asked what a cop does, if the first thing that comes to mind is catch/arrest/shoot at bad guys, you’re part of the problem. If other cops or your union come before your community, you’re part of the problem. If you go into any situation assuming the other party is the enemy and a potential threat, you’re part of the problem. If you think simply having the badge entitles you to respect and deference from civilians, you’re part of the problem.

The problem is many of these ideas are also exactly what is taught to soldiers. Cops are not soldiers. Cops are not meant to be domestic military, but through failures in our system we’ve allowed them to become militarized. That’s a big problem that needs corrected.

I dont think anyone is thinking this. But if you get a call to a domestic dispute where a woman (or man) is getting the crap kicked out of them by anyone, should the cops act respectful to said beater? this is often what is happening. In Boston cops don't go looking for trouble, they are called to a troubling scene.

The problem with this country today is that we think violent criminals should be treated as someone checking into a hotel. I dont want to live in that kind of country.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by msRB311

So what do you all think of people who are Navy SEALs, green berets and army rangers? do they fall into the same category as cop? I mean their job is often to kill people.

The problem is sooooo many cops see themselves in the same category. That is the problematic mindset. Out of all the cops I have known, I have known two that weren't tough guy/bully/aholes. And one of those (Chicago cop) made her daughter swear to never call for another cop for help unless she had a friend with her, because the mother saw so much beyond sketchy behavior by fellow cops.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by timberline742

The problem is sooooo many cops see themselves in the same category. That is the problematic mindset. Out of all the cops I have known, I have known two that weren't tough guy/bully/aholes. And one of those (Chicago cop) made her daughter swear to never call for another cop for help unless she had a friend with her, because the mother saw so much beyond sketchy behavior by fellow cops.

Well Drew Peterson was a chicago cop, maybe they are messed up there. But we're talking about Boston. A lot of times police are called about crazy things.

I had a co worker who was a very nice person, very smart, the whole 9 yards and apparently she had a guy who kept approaching her on the train. I guess he followed her somewhere or made her uncomfortable. She went to the somerville police dept and was apparently treated terribly as far as she was concerned. The cop at the front desk basically laughed and said something like, ah, he just liked you, I wish someone would follow me around. Mind you this girl looked a like a guy and was pretty butch. The whole scene must have been odd to all and perhaps that's where sensitivity training comes in. At the end of the day no one had harmed her.

My cousin is a Boston cop and has had things happen like people bringing in empty bottles of alcohol and saying things like, I want to report that someone drank/stole my bottle of Hennesey.

You are saying things like 'cops see themselves in the same category'. What should they think of themselves?

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by timberline742

The problem is sooooo many cops see themselves in the same category. That is the problematic mindset. Out of all the cops I have known, I have known two that weren't tough guy/bully/aholes. And one of those (Chicago cop) made her daughter swear to never call for another cop for help unless she had a friend with her, because the mother saw so much beyond sketchy behavior by fellow cops.

I mean I just took a look at a navy seals instagram page and it seemed pretty bloodthirsty. Obsession with knives. Husband of former nip tick star kelly carlson, https://www.instagram.com/trackerdan/

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by timberline742

And one of those (Chicago cop) made her daughter swear to never call for another cop for help unless she had a friend with her, because the mother saw so much beyond sketchy behavior by fellow cops.

How do you know SHE wasn't the rogue/disgruntled cop?

[msRB311]

that does seem a little odd that in a city like chicago where people are killing each other every day that the cops are the ones to fear. Maybe there's a reason for that.