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Old 09-19-2022, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Providence, RI
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The fact that so many of these jobs you mentioned above are no longer in the US coupled with the fact that cost of living here is so high has MANY people wondering WHY so many 3rd world country people continue to come to the US. There is not much here for them at this point.
Who says there isn't much here for them? You? This seems pretty out of touch with reality (which is obvious considering the continued influx of migrants). For starters, a $15 per hour McDonald's Job (or a $10/hr under the table cleaning or landscaping job) is drastically more money than many immigrants could hope to earn where they come from. There are plenty of those opportunities out there.

Second of all, the cost of living can be significantly offset by not living what is typically considered to be the standard American lifestyle. This manifests locally with large, multigenerational households in small spaces. It's not uncommon for 6 or more people from a single family spanning 3 generations with 3 or 4 employed household members to be sharing a 1 or two bedroom apartment (and not the "luxury" places you see on Marketplace or Zillow). Many have no cars or a single beater for everyone to share. These families are not taking vacations, going out for nice dinners, taking everyone to Fenway for a night.

Finally, this sentiment completely ignores what's happening in the rest of the world. As bad as it seems like it is here sometimes, we don't have the same threats of violence, the same levels of poverty, the same lack of healthcare or access to other basic needs, the same corruption, or the same oppression as many of the places these migrants come from. The desperation that leads to escaping those circumstances can make a high cost of living and limited job opportunities here seem like small potatoes compared to what they're leaving behind. It's pretty easy to see why people continue to come here.
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Old 09-19-2022, 10:00 AM
 
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True but many immigrants are willing to do with less and live in conditions that many Americans wouldn't tolerate for the chance to give their family a better life. So they're more than happy to take lower wage jobs. I don't see many Americans clamoring for jobs like landscaper, cashier, bag boy, house cleaner, etc., etc., etc.
but these days if they're taking on low wage jobs, and paying rent they likely won't be able to afford a home depending on where they live. I'm not sure how that really helps the kids they have unless the kids are very smart and get into college for free or very little and break that cycle by getting a good job.
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Old 09-19-2022, 10:01 AM
 
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Who says there isn't much here for them? You? This seems pretty out of touch with reality (which is obvious considering the continued influx of migrants). For starters, a $15 per hour McDonald's Job (or a $10/hr under the table cleaning or landscaping job) is drastically more money than many immigrants could hope to earn where they come from. There are plenty of those opportunities out there.

Second of all, the cost of living can be significantly offset by not living what is typically considered to be the standard American lifestyle. This manifests locally with large, multigenerational households in small spaces. It's not uncommon for 6 or more people from a single family spanning 3 generations with 3 or 4 employed household members to be sharing a 1 or two bedroom apartment (and not the "luxury" places you see on Marketplace or Zillow). Many have no cars or a single beater for everyone to share. These families are not taking vacations, going out for nice dinners, taking everyone to Fenway for a night.

Finally, this sentiment completely ignores what's happening in the rest of the world. As bad as it seems like it is here sometimes, we don't have the same threats of violence, the same levels of poverty, the same lack of healthcare or access to other basic needs, the same corruption, or the same oppression as many of the places these migrants come from. The desperation that leads to escaping those circumstances can make a high cost of living and limited job opportunities here seem like small potatoes compared to what they're leaving behind. It's pretty easy to see why people continue to come here.
ok well we'll see what it's like for them in a few decades. My point is also that the US is not the only place for them to go.
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Old 09-19-2022, 11:29 AM
 
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...91&ai=11228189
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Old 09-19-2022, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Providence, RI
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ok well we'll see what it's like for them in a few decades. My point is also that the US is not the only place for them to go.
The U.S. isn't the only place migrants are going.
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Old 09-19-2022, 01:39 PM
 
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The U.S. isn't the only place migrants are going.
Good. Perhaps the countries these migrants are coming from should work on making their own countries better places to live so people aren't constantly wanting to leave them. Seems like many people in the world don't want the world's impoverished.
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Old 09-19-2022, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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1. why are you so pro immigration? The whole country was founded a long time ago. It's now being abused. 2.There need to be other countries for people to go to. The US can't be the one place everyone comes to when they feel like it or want a better life. 3. Go to Cananda, go to Europe, make other places better. 4. This country will collapse or will just be a complete wasteland of buildings with no nature left in 40 years.
lmao.

1. the country was founded on it and needs it to survive
2. There are
3. They do in huuuuge numbers. Have you looked at the Demographics of Vancouver, Toronto or London. How about Athens or Paris or Copehagen. Even Manchester or Birimingham?
4. Melodramatics

Are you honestly this much of a massive townie? Do you really not understand why we need immigration and why Europe has tens of millions of immigrants too? Does it not make sens eor do you just lament it.

The world population grows and people move. When has that NOT been the case??
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Old 09-19-2022, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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And honestly, the reality is the median age of a White person in Massachusetts is 44.7 years old...that's really old.

It means the average white person in MA has 20.3 working years ahead of them and 26.7 working years behind them

And it's only going up in age.

Other groups?

Blacks: 34.7

Asians: 35.7

Puerto Rican: 29.0

Dominicans: 29.1

So from an economic standpoint to remain competitive, viable, and able to support the ever-growing 65+ population you need to import young people from other parts of the world since they're unable or willing to move to Massachusetts outside of college years.

Beyond economics, it's just good for the energy and vitality of the state to have young people. To assume civic roles, political roles, found new businesses, little league coaches, and everything else. The 45-year-olds are a bit removed from public life compared to younger folks.
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Old 09-19-2022, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Woburn, MA / W. Hartford, CT
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Baker, as usual, making a lot of sense:

Obviously, sending people all over the country, many of whom have no idea why they’re being sent, where they’re going, is no solution to the very screwed up immigration system we have in the US,” Baker said Sunday at a press conference related to the MBTA. “We have a lot of ways we can help people who are here or who come here. But what we really need, more than anything, is for the folks in Washington to get their act together.”

Baker said he has been urging Republicans and Democrats in the nation’s capital to work together to pass meaningful immigration reform for “many, many, many years.”

“It’s not a secret to anyone that our immigration system is broken, and it’s not a secret that the border is also broken because our immigration system is broken. And states can’t fix it, OK?” Baker said when asked if he had anything to say to Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who chartered the planes from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard. “So any conversation with any governor doesn’t really get me anywhere.”
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Old 09-19-2022, 03:28 PM
 
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Apparently one of the migrants went to a bar in Hyannis and ordered a bunch of beers he couldn't pay for. He didn't have enough money on his government issues debit card.

https://hyannisnews.com/meet-enrique...ts-of-hyannis/
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