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Old 06-25-2011, 04:44 AM
 
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Many cartel members are former military members. They do this on purpose to get training. That said, the military is still 10 times better than local law enforcement...agreed.
Luckily the Mexican military still has poor training so the training is not that good. All what the Mexican government needs to do is hire Xe to take out the narcos. And that will be the end of it. A squad of Xe can wipe out all of the Zetas even if they were former Mexican military. Because the standard for a Mexican soldier are still low not as low as the Mexican police but close enough.
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Old 06-25-2011, 08:14 AM
 
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The US ATF does NOT supply the narco's. Quit blaming them, the amount of weapons the naro's receive come from either the Mexican military or the Russian mafia or other Latin America military looking for easy money. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the majority of weapons do not come from the states. So you have to blame the evil gringos for something else.
You have any proof of what are you saying?

Now, is a fact USA is the main provider of weapons for narco in Mexico:

BBC News - Mexico queries US gun smuggling operation

Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico - CBS News
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Old 06-25-2011, 09:22 AM
 
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You have any proof of what are you saying?

Now, is a fact USA is the main provider of weapons for narco in Mexico:

BBC News - Mexico queries US gun smuggling operation

Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico - CBS News
That still is not proof

Jesus man, proof is looking at every gun confiscated and seeing where it came from, duh

The Mexican government has destroyed most guns they have confiscated-actually since its Mexico they went ahead and resold the guns to the cartels-and the ones they haven't. They have proven that the majority came from somewhere else. While the number is around 30%-40% it still is not the majority of weapons. Because it leaves 70%-60% to other areas that should be a concern for Mexico.
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Old 06-25-2011, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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I have to agree with the president. Its sad that many people have died at the hands of these criminals but it would have been worse if the government would have done nothing about it. I don't understand these protests against the government for fighting the cartels.

On another note, "El Chango" was detained. One less drug lord on the streets.

Mexico's president defends anti-drug policy - CNN.com
There are scores in line to take his place....Money talks... BS walks
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Mexico
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truth is: the military and calderon are protecting one drug cartel and you know which one...
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:50 AM
 
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That still is not proof

Jesus man, proof is looking at every gun confiscated and seeing where it came from, duh

The Mexican government has destroyed most guns they have confiscated-actually since its Mexico they went ahead and resold the guns to the cartels-and the ones they haven't. They have proven that the majority came from somewhere else. While the number is around 30%-40% it still is not the majority of weapons. Because it leaves 70%-60% to other areas that should be a concern for Mexico.
Ok, show the source were indicated what are you saying is truth...
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:52 AM
 
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truth is: the military and calderon are protecting one drug cartel and you know which one...
truth is, from where? you have any proofs? if it so, then USA is protecting that cartel too? Because Mexico is doing all this war in drugs with the support of USA.
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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truth is, from where? you have any proofs? if it so, then USA is protecting that cartel too? Because Mexico is doing all this war in drugs with the support of USA.
You are Mexican and you are showing what is the problem with Mexican's. We are doing it for the support of the USA, blah blah pos. You are doing it for your nation. Until Mexican's can get at the root of the problem:you. There is no way for Mexico to ever be a first world nation like that of the states or Canada, etc.
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Ok, show the source were indicated what are you saying is truth...
I won't bother. Its too much researching as of the moment and I am lazy. But it is the way I remember it. Statistics can be distorted to fit an agenda. It is way easier to Mexico to blame the US government than it is to try and solve to problem south of its border. You are not getting what the Mexican government hopes to accomplish from this. They are hoping to get more support and involvement of the US. But like I said, its not our problem, its yours.
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:31 AM
 
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truth is: the military and calderon are protecting one drug cartel and you know which one...
Some say that the Sinaloa Cartel because they are not as ruthless as the Zetas, etc. Aside from that, everyone knows that Guzman has had parties with governors and senators. So yes, I do believe that the Mexican government is intentionally going after the other cartels in the hopes that the Sinaloa Cartel can be reasoned with. But I don't believe its leaders should be allowed to live if at all possible.......
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Old 06-25-2011, 03:03 PM
 
Location: DF
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I think this conversation has really degenerated into a black and white approach to a very grey problem. While I do support Calderon's war against drugs, we as Mexicans need to understand that we failed our young people and this is why they've joined the cartels. We've failed to provide opportunities, failed to create hope for them... so they sell their souls to the devil and make a quick buck knowing that their death is imminent.

I am sorry, but we cannot call the anyone who belongs to the cartels 'evil'... it's a job like anything else,... and in a country where the average wage is a far cry from providing a good standard of living, sometimes you take the job that you can get. Don't give me all this crap about being able to work in a factory for $5 a day... any one of you would eventually succumb to the temptation of making 20 times that for a criminal enterprise, especially if it meant your families would be taken care of.

I do believe that we have to take a punitive approach... that's the short-term solution. The long term solution is education, and creating a business environment that's ripe for growth and opportunities for our young people. If we ignore the latter, and focus on the former, we are nothing short of an autocratic kleptocracy.
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