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Old 04-16-2014, 06:35 PM
 
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You are repeating it again despite me agreeing that Mexico is mostly mixed!


Your original post implied hispanics cannot be white!


That was the issue! There are Hispanic minorities who are white but due to stereotyping and light discrimination from the media in the US, they do not want to include white Hispanics in the white category!
Well, yes, I repeated what I've said before, because you've taken my words out of context, and/or have misinterpreted them.

My initial post to you did not imply that having a Spanish name would by default make you non-white. What I said was that most Hispanics are in fact non-white.

I'm not sure where you've gotten your information from, but it is incorrect. The USA does count white Hispanics as white. However, the USA also differentiates between non-Hispanic whites and Hispanic whites, in that Hispanic whites are still counted as a minority. Frankly, white Hispanics are over-represented in the U.S.A census, that is considering their minority status in Latin America. 2/3 of all Hispanics in the U.S.A are of Mexican descant, and as it has been noted whites in Mexico are a minority. White Hispanics account for a little more than 1/2 of the Hispanic population in the USA.

I live in the U.S.A, Texas to be exact, and I can assure you that 1/2 of all the Hispanics (in Texas at-least) do not look Caucasian. In fact, I've seen more indigenous looking Hispanics than Caucasian, but the absolute majority of Latinos here look Mestizo. Here in Texas, Hispanics make up around 35% of the population (the second largest Hispanic population in absolute numbers, only behind California), almost all of them being of Mexican descant, but just as with the national model, 1/2 of all Hispanics here are counted as "white Hispanic". The U.S.A census is severely flawed. I wouldn't take the U.S.A census too seriously, at-least not in regard to the Hispanic statistic.

 
Old 04-16-2014, 08:24 PM
FBF
 
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No, your original post meant what it said!

Admit you made an error or you just do not agree with white Hispanics can be considered true white!

We are talking about white Hispanics, not mestizos!

This is getting annoying because you are backtracking and not admitted your error with your previous post claiming they cannot be Caucasian if they have Spanish names!
 
Old 04-16-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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I agree ive seen many indigenous looking mestizos say they are white. 50+ percent of Hispanics who call themselves is a little iffy
 
Old 04-16-2014, 08:38 PM
 
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I agree ive seen many indigenous looking mestizos say they are white. 50+ percent of Hispanics who call themselves is a little iffy
It may be due to American education. As Mexican Americans we're not taught our history, we're taught the history of Europeans and European Americans. It's a shame that the Texas board of education recently struck down a proposal to allow Mexican American history to be an elective class in highschool. I think the European Americans are just stalling an inevitability though.
 
Old 04-20-2014, 05:57 PM
 
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Where do people get the idea that most Mexicans have black descent?


They do not.


Most are a mixture of Amerindian and European descent. Pure whites and Amerindians are minorities in Mexico.

An even smaller minority has black descent but it is nowhere near the levels of Brazil (a non-Hispanic South American country which speaks Portugese).
Black ancestry is often downplayed. Some races either ignore or don't admit to having black blood. And, of course, some are not aware of having black blood.
 
Old 09-14-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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And Huichol are from Nayarit! My wife has Huichol in her ancestry.
And Jalisco! Cool how recent or distant?
 
Old 09-14-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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Black ancestry is often downplayed. Some races either ignore or don't admit to having black blood. And, of course, some are not aware of having black blood.
It's very little anyways.
 
Old 09-14-2014, 09:51 PM
 
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Where do people get the idea that most Mexicans have black descent?


They do not.

You're the only one in this whole thread who said that MOST have black descent. So either you are misreading or you are throwing fictional things out there to make your point
 
Old 09-14-2014, 09:59 PM
 
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Where do people get the idea that most Mexicans have black descent?


They do not.


Most are a mixture of Amerindian and European descent. Pure whites and Amerindians are minorities in Mexico.

An even smaller minority has black descent but it is nowhere near the levels of Brazil (a non-Hispanic South American country which speaks Portugese).
some do have black ancestry. I am a mexican-American (parents are from Jalisco) and i did a DNA test and I got 4% black in me.

my results:

 
Old 09-14-2014, 10:04 PM
 
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It may be due to American education. As Mexican Americans we're not taught our history, we're taught the history of Europeans and European Americans. It's a shame that the Texas board of education recently struck down a proposal to allow Mexican American history to be an elective class in highschool.
dude, Mexican-Americans haven't been in huge numbers like the blacks have in the US until the late 1970s and 1980s. Not as much has happened compared to Blacks and Anglos.

besides, they don't teach the history of Italian-Americans, German-Americans, etc. it would be a pain in the ass to do so and satisfy everybody.


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I think the European Americans are just stalling an inevitability though.
correction; it's the Anglos, not european-americans since that would also mean recent european immigrants and don't have much say in that. it's the anglos who do.
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