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Old 01-02-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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I don't know about Koreans, but Mexicans will resettle their old territories invaded by Americans and Cubans will resettle in Florida, administered from Havana during almost 300 years. This is what happens with colonization. But you are extremelly lucky, Mexicans and Cubans do not want to annex those territories, they are pro-USA and christian (a great advantage).

Had the US remained in their 13 colonies, their stats and stereotypes would be no different from Tasmania, a minor an insignificant power. Empires are not based on idiocies such as race or language.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:33 PM
 
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I don't know about Koreans, but Mexicans will resettle their old territories invaded by Americans and Cubans will resettle in Florida, administered from Havana during almost 300 years. This is what happens with colonization. But you are extremelly lucky, Mexicans and Cubans do not want to annex those territories, they are pro-USA and christian (a great advantage).

Had the US remained in their 13 colonies, their stats and stereotypes would be no different from Tasmania, a minor an insignificant power. Empires are not based on idiocies such as race or language.
What old territories? Those areas were sparsely settled by what was New Spain and then Mexico and if you want to go back to the Aztecs and such, it's pretty much a non sequitur since the Aztecs had pretty much absolutely nothing to do with the natives north of the current border.

As for the topic at hand, I came across this article listing projected Human Development Indices for the very high development bracket which could be roughly analogous to what "First World Country" means for many people. The study was done at the tail end of 2009 and has Mexico coming into the bracket by 2025. It doesn't sound that unlikely as Mexico is at a position to ride its demographic dividend of a large fertility rate having been quickly gone down to about replacement level meaning a lot of working age people in comparison to the elderly and children they have to support.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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On the immigration board, many people are talking about working with Mexico to make it a economic powerhouse like America, Japan and Western Europe. Many people seem to believe that with a little bit of help from America, Mexico will become a strong first world country with a middle class comparable to the United States. While there is significant wealth in Mexico, it is held by a small elite of Spanish light skinned European people. The Spanish people control the government, the media, and business community. The rest the people are poor and most of them are dark skinned Indian.

In my many visits to Mexico I see some very hard working people but a poor infrastructure, little capital available to the average person to set up businesses, a culture that is more concerned with family and today than tommorrow, a lack of interest in education and vocational training, and a laid back culture. Not the things that make a prosperous country.

Do you think this is possible that the Mexican government and economy can be reformed and a strong middle class will form in Mexico with a percapita income similar to Canada or America within the next 50 years?
It would take much longer than 50 years. Mexico needs to invest in its own infrastructure and human resources (education for the poor, to create upward mobility and expand the middle class) first. According to the terms of NAFTA, Mexico pledged to provide infrastructure so that factories could be built throughout the interior of the country, so investors could provide jobs. It did not fulfill its part of the deal.

One US auto manufacturer was able to build a factory in a town that had good roads, phone lines, etc. The workers there are making a good wage with benefits, and have joined the middle class. This success story didn't get repeated elsewhere, because infrastructure wasn't upgraded. US companies were forced to locate factories along the border, as a result. By neglecting infrastructure and access to education for the citizenry, Mexico is guaranteeing stagnation for itself. There is a lot of potential there, but it's not being realized.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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What old territories? Those areas were sparsely settled by what was New Spain and then Mexico and if you want to go back to the Aztecs and such, it's pretty much a non sequitur since the Aztecs had pretty much absolutely nothing to do with the natives north of the current border.
Not true. The Aztecs had extensive trade networks with the American Southwest and the Mississippian cultures, as well as with much of Central America.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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Not true. The Aztecs had extensive trade networks with the American Southwest and the Mississippian cultures, as well as with much of Central America.
Extensive, not quite...
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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It would take much longer than 50 years. Mexico needs to invest in its own infrastructure and human resources (education for the poor, to create upward mobility and expand the middle class) first. According to the terms of NAFTA, Mexico pledged to provide infrastructure so that factories could be built throughout the interior of the country, so investors could provide jobs. It did not fulfill its part of the deal.

One US auto manufacturer was able to build a factory in a town that had good roads, phone lines, etc. The workers there are making a good wage with benefits, and have joined the middle class. This success story didn't get repeated elsewhere, because infrastructure wasn't upgraded. US companies were forced to locate factories along the border, as a result. By neglecting infrastructure and access to education for the citizenry, Mexico is guaranteeing stagnation for itself. There is a lot of potential there, but it's not being realized.
Have you been in Mexico?

There are cities recognized as automotive clusters.

GM has factories in:
Toluca (1965), Ramos Arizpe (1981), Silao (1995), San Luis Potosí (2008)

Nissan has factories in Aguascalientes and Cuernavaca
Volkswagen has factories in Puebla
Honda has factories in Jalisco and a new one in Celaya
Ford has factories in Cautitlan and Hermosillo
Mazda will build a factory in Silao
Audi will build a factory in Puebla
Also FIAT just build a factory in Saltillo.

Not to mention the factories of trucks Daimler (Toluca and Saltillo) Navistar (Monterrey) Kenworth (Mexicali)

That would not be possible without infraestructure.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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Have you been in Mexico?

There are cities recognized as automotive clusters.

GM has factories in:
Toluca (1965), Ramos Arizpe (1981), Silao (1995), San Luis Potosí (2008)

Nissan has factories in Aguascalientes and Cuernavaca
Volkswagen has factories in Puebla
Honda has factories in Jalisco and a new one in Celaya
Ford has factories in Cautitlan and Hermosillo
Mazda will build a factory in Silao
Audi will build a factory in Puebla
Also FIAT just build a factory in Saltillo.

Not to mention the factories of trucks Daimler (Toluca and Saltillo) Navistar (Monterrey) Kenworth (Mexicali)

That would not be possible without infraestructure.
I've been to Mexico many times, but haven't toured the manufacturing facilities. This is great news! And it sounds like Mexico is improving its infrastructure. Why are there so many maquiladoras near the border, then?
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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Extensive, not quite...
Enough to stimulate the development of monumental architecture and the building of Meso-American-style ball courts throughout the Southwest, and the art of Moundbuilder culture in the center and SE of North America. That's far from having "absolutely nothing to do with natives across the current border".
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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I've been to Mexico many times, but haven't toured the manufacturing facilities. This is great news! And it sounds like Mexico is improving its infrastructure. Why are there so many maquiladoras near the border, then?
Because it is logical, the closer you are to the main market the lower the cost of moving goods, other than obtaining tax benefits.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:36 PM
 
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Enough to stimulate the development of monumental architecture and the building of Meso-American-style ball courts throughout the Southwest, and the art of Moundbuilder culture in the center and SE of North America. That's far from having "absolutely nothing to do with natives across the current border".
Apparently you are not aware that these northern indigenous cultures were generally nomadic and had little to do with the Aztecs.

The area of influence of the Aztecs was limited to central Mexico, the Aztecs do not dominated the whole territory of what is now Mexico.

Even in its area of influence had different ethnic groups fought against them to defend their territories, One of these groups, the tlaxcaltecas was joining the Spanish to defeat the Aztecs.
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