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Apparently you are not aware that these northern indigenous cultures were generally nomadic and had little to do with the Aztecs.
Apparently you're unaware that many of these northern indigenous cultures were sedentary farming cultures. People don't build monumental architecture and stone ball courts if they're nomadic. They traded regularly with the Aztecs.
Not true. The Aztecs had extensive trade networks with the American Southwest and the Mississippian cultures, as well as with much of Central America.
It depends on what you mean by extensive trade networks and how that applies to claims for territory through Aztec lineage. There was trade, but thus far it appears it was mostly of the variety where adjacent communities traded next to each other so at some point a product or innovation of the Aztecs then reach the American Southwest, the Mississippian cultures/Eastern Agricultural Complex. There were no extensive connected roads, maritime trading was very local as there were yet to be large seafaring fleets, and North America did not have domesticable large pack animals that could conduct extensive and long-term trade over large distances at the time (probably in part to do with several reasons, such as the larger possibly domesticable animals were introduced to humans without much prior co-existence to develop defenses and the humans were already armed with some significant hunting technology which together may have precluded later sedentary and more organized entities to domesticate and harness these animals).
In the context of having some kind of ancestral claimant for Aztecs over territories over the current border, it seems odd to have a prior trading network of such limited extensiveness to really be valid. That as a rubric would then make it even more valid for China laying claim to Central Asia and Oman laying claim to much of East Africa, and India, or at least South India, laying claim to the Malay peninsula and the East Indies since these examples had the former exerting much more influence and establishing much more extensive and immediate trade networks than the Aztecs did with the indigenous communities of the American Southwest or the Mississippian cultures.
I wasn't aware the discussion was about Aztec claims to territory. Someone posted the Aztecs didn't have anything to so with Natives across the current border, and that's an inaccurate statement. Just correcting the record, that's all. But the Aztecs did maintain enclaves in the regions they traded with. They were known for that. There are Aztec descendants in Nicaragua today, for example. Many place names in Guatemala are of Aztec origin, as is the name of the country, itself. The Aztecs maintained enclaves throughout Mayan country.
I wasn't aware the discussion was about Aztec claims to territory. Someone posted the Aztecs didn't have anything to so with Natives across the current border, and that's an inaccurate statement. Just correcting the record, that's all. But the Aztecs did maintain enclaves in the regions they traded with. They were known for that. There are Aztec descendants in Nicaragua today, for example. Many place names in Guatemala are of Aztec origin, as is the name of the country, itself. The Aztecs maintained enclaves throughout Mayan country.
But not in what now is USA. Aztec influence is confined only to Mesoamerica (Central America).
I wasn't aware the discussion was about Aztec claims to territory. Someone posted the Aztecs didn't have anything to so with Natives across the current border, and that's an inaccurate statement. Just correcting the record, that's all. But the Aztecs did maintain enclaves in the regions they traded with. They were known for that. There are Aztec descendants in Nicaragua today, for example. Many place names in Guatemala are of Aztec origin, as is the name of the country, itself. The Aztecs maintained enclaves throughout Mayan country.
Well, now you know. And it's true that the Aztecs had little to do with the natives across the border--certainly not what I would say is "an extensive trade network." There was a diffusion of products and ideas that went from one adjacent community to another that would ultimately have them passing from the Aztecs to various peoples up through the large and semi-arid northern Mexico and then make its way across what is the current border, but there doesn't seem to been any direct trade as far as we can tell. Parts of Central America closer to Mexico is a different story as the Aztecs and various Mayan, Mixtec, and other peoples formed a large contiguous mesoamerican cultural region which had historically given rise to entities in various configurations across the region where actual direct trade routes among them existed--so it is accurate to say that there was an extensive trade network within that region, though again, not with the peoples which are north of the current US/Mexican border.
Anyhow, back to the topic at hand. I posted an earlier link where the UN around the end of 2009 forecasted Mexico reaching the Very High Human Development bracket (roughly analogous to "first world country") by 2025 which isn't all that far away.
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I don't think Spain, Italy and Portugal are all that much different then Mexico really. At least the attitude toward industry/work. I think you could make the point with the asian countries, but not Western Europe.
"You don't think Spain, Italy, and Portugal are all that much different then Mexico, really. At least, the attitude toward industry/work"? Evidently, you know nothing about these advanced societies, and how productive, dynamic, and vibrant they are. Comparing Mexico with them is simply laughable, in all social aspects.
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Do you think this is possible that the Mexican government and economy can be reformed and a strong middle class will form in Mexico with a percapita income similar to Canada or America within the next 50 years?
Shouldn't be a problem. Since the US middle class is sinking lower and lower. Ought to take only another 25 years.
Shouldn't be a problem. Since the US middle class is sinking lower and lower. Ought to take only another 25 years.
Exactly my thought, give it another 15 to 25 years and the living standard in both countries will be equal. Mexico and the US could even have an open border policy like we have here in the EU. Americans would benefit from this too, they could just drive to Mexico for affordable medical treatment or affordable medicine without having to wait at the border to return.
"You don't think Spain, Italy, and Portugal are all that much different then Mexico, really. At least, the attitude toward industry/work"? Evidently, you know nothing about these advanced societies, and how productive, dynamic, and vibrant they are. Comparing Mexico with them is simply laughable, in all social aspects.
Mexico already produces more engineers than anywhere else in Latin America, more than Germany (not to mention Spain/Italy), and more on a per-capita basis than the U.S. (Mexico's Surprising Engineering Strength - Businessweek)
Mexico definitely has it's issues though (corruption, crime and inequality top the list, not to mention actual investment in R&D, quality, etc), but I don't see what's "laughable" about comparing it to those southern European countries. Stop being so defensive and actually consider doing research on a place before you typecast it as some third world joke.
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Exactly my thought, give it another 15 to 25 years and the living standard in both countries will be equal. Mexico and the US could even have an open border policy like we have here in the EU. Americans would benefit from this too, they could just drive to Mexico for affordable medical treatment or affordable medicine without having to wait at the border to return.
But once the border opens up, this will no longer be so affordable any longer due to demand.
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