How can Miami keep it's Latin/International culture vibe while growing? (Jacksonville: crime, income)

[Manganopicolin]

Miami is not International at all, just another boring American city.
The fact that Spanish is official and predominant does not mean a thing.
The city is American, Republican.
As usual, those American snowbirds from the Northeast will leave in three months.
Miami will never be again a Baptist city contained in the Bible Belt with some Jews, but a Latin American and International hub.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by starlitwanderer

State of Florida also spoke Spanish before English before US became a country. Just saying.

There was none of that remaining when Miami was founded as a US city like all the others.

The Spanish speakers in Miami today are not the descendants of people who were already there when it was a Spanish possession.

Unlike Montréal French speakers whose direct ancestors were already there when the area was still New France.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

...and different dialects of Timucua were the official language before that

"Official"?

Plus, what does this have to do with Spanish?

BTW I am far from an "English über alles" type, but facts are still facts.

[thinkertinker]

Originally Posted by Manganopicolin

Miami is not International at all, just another boring American city.
The fact that Spanish is official and predominant does not mean a thing.
The city is American, Republican.
As usual, those American snowbirds from the Northeast will leave in three months.
Miami will never be again a Baptist city contained in the Bible Belt with some Jews, but a Latin American and International hub.

How is Miami not international? And boring?!

Sounds like a hater. You don't have to like Miami, but to describe it as boring and not international says to me you have never been or just hating on it.

And for the record, snowbirds are not a big part of Miami's population, you find that more in Broward and Palm Beach County. Miami has a predominantly permanent residents, and those that don't live here full time, actually come mostly from Europe and Latin America as their second homes, mostly wealthy. You find American snowbirds further up north. You don't really find American snowbirds all that much in Miami anymore. Perhaps in the 60's, 70's, 80's yes.

While Miami is a lot more Republican then its peers, it still went blue and for Biden in the last election. So yes, more Republican than it's peers, but it's not as Republican as you are making it seem either. If anything I would say it's more purple.

[thinkertinker]

I just don't see why people on here have a problem that one city in the far corner of the country, in a county of 3.5 million, has Spanish as it primarily language and Latin American culture dominates? Like why is that such an issue and problem? Heck not even Miami's metro as a whole is like that. Broward and Palm Beach County are very American, it's only Miami-Dade that stands out and that's only one county out of the three counties in the Miami metro.

If you told me that Miami was the capital of the country, I could understand. If you told that Miami was the prime city like NYC that holds so much power over the economy, I could understand. But Miami doesn't even have the much influence in the US economy. For better or worse its economy focuses on tourism and Latin America, and Finance, but even then it's more international banks than domestic.

If anything Miami's Latino population is what has made it grow to the city it is today. If it would have continued as it did back 40 years ago, as a retirement city, Miami would be like a Fort Meyers or Naples to this day.

But please explain why Miami should not keep it's Latin dominated culture.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by Acajack

"Official"?

Plus, what does this have to do with Spanish?

BTW I am far from an "English über alles" type, but facts are still facts.

only that spanish wasn't the first language.....Timucua was

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

only that spanish wasn't the first language.....Timucua was

Even so, that group didn't even live in SE Florida.

I believe the original inhabitants of SE Florida were the Tequesta, but they weren't in the area anymore when Miami was founded over 100 years ago.

[thinkertinker]

People are we really going to go back to when Native Americans ruled the land here? lol

Regardless of what Miami was before, Miami came into prominence as Latin Americans moved to it in droves and created a unique culture within the US. Not only that but Miami also became a hub for Latin Americans who don't live in Miami or the US, once it's Latin culture grew and dominated.

Strip Miami from it's Latin culture and you will be stripping away most of the city's identity and character that has given it the character and identity that people now know it for both nationally and internationally.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by thinkertinker

People are we really going to go back to when Native Americans ruled the land here? lol

Regardless of what Miami was before, Miami came into prominence as Latin Americans moved to it in droves and created a unique culture within the US. Not only that but Miami also became a hub for Latin Americans who don't live in Miami or the US, once it's Latin culture grew and dominated.

Strip Miami from it's Latin culture and you will be stripping away most of the city's identity and character that has given it the character and identity that people now know it for both nationally and internationally.

While Latin American culture has become inseparable from Miami at this point, in the 1960s before the massive wave of immigration began, Greater Miami (say, Dade County) already had a population of close to 1 million people and was essentially a Southern US city similar to the others in the region.

[thinkertinker]

Originally Posted by Acajack

While Latin American culture has become inseparable from Miami at this point, in the 1960s before the massive wave of immigration began, Greater Miami (say, Dade County) already had a population of close to 1 million people and was essentially a Southern US city similar to the others in the region.

But how important was Miami in the 1960s? Again, Latin Americans might have not created Miami, they might have not founded Miami, but let's be honest, they got it to where it is today.

If not for them Miami probably would have just been like another Tampa Bay, WPB, Fort Lauderdale or St. Petersburg. Nothing particularly wrong with those cities, but they certainly don't have the draw and pull culturally and economically that Miami does. And that draw and pull was created because of many Latin Americans built it, instilled their culture, and created a hub for Latin America.

There are very few cities in the US that a minority group has influenced a city as much as Latin Americans have like in Miami in more recent times, and in a positive way. Miami-Dade per the 2020 Census is 68% Latino. Take away the Latinos and what you will have is another Detroit and little to no growth. Miami really became a power player once Latinos flooded the city.

All southern cities have grown a lot, be it Houston, Phoenix, Dallas, Austin, etc., but in Miami's special case it was grown by a minority group and became a hub internationally for that said minority group. I think that is something that should be respected, celebrated and appreciated.