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Just remember that anyone who disagrees, even slightly, with the one party system that the left is trying to create, is labeled an extremist.
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Originally Posted by oldsoldier1976
Says the MAGA side.
Yes.
And it's demonstrably false.
A 2020 Military Times poll [see below] showed 38% of the military having a favorable view of then-President Trump, with 50% having an unfavorable view. It can therefore be logically assumed that all of those 38% disagree at least slightly with 'the left', as does presumably some of the 12% in the middle ground, and probably even some of the 50% in the unfavorable category.
So where has 38%-and-then-some of the military been 'labelled extremist'?
Nowhere.
Which is why the previous claim is demonstrably false.
Oh, that movie! It could never be made today for while I know a Spook is a spy.......that movie is about a token black who used his training, done to show that the agency was progressive, for other than intended purposes.......so the word "Spook" has a double meaning these days........
and I think more people would recognize it for the latter meaning than espionage.
(never seen it but I have read up on it)
To the point at hand, comme ce, comme ca. I went in under the "Kill a Commie for Ronnie" mentality and certainly a lot of my attitude reflected that.....even though I was not as gun ho as some of my Captains might have wished.
But things change over time, both who we are, and that the tricks we did back then may not be accepted now. Such as, my trick of having a porn flick playing in view of the door the security team was going to come through, to distract them for a crucial second so I could get the first shots in.......can one imagine trying to pull that these days?
Sigh.....maybe the military has always been a hotbed for extremists, when viewed from different times. That is, what we did in one era may have been okay but when looked at in other times, it won't be.
I didn't know there was a movie until this past year. I did however write at least four book reports on the novel during the 70s
A 2020 Military Times poll [see below] showed 38% of the military having a favorable view of then-President Trump, with 50% having an unfavorable view. It can therefore be logically assumed that all of those 38% disagree at least slightly with 'the left', as does presumably some of the 12% in the middle ground, and probably even some of the 50% in the unfavorable category.
So where has 38%-and-then-some of the military been 'labelled extremist'?
Nowhere.
Which is why the previous claim is demonstrably false.
In today’s military, if you’re a traditional American with traditional values AND you don’t buy into today’s WOKE-ism, you’re now an extremist that needs to be purged from the military. If you’re not removed, be monitored for your conservative views.
I enlisted in 1980 and retired in 2010 and I truly believe that the extremist views, within WOKE-ism, is destroying both the Combat Readiness and Combat Effectiveness, especially within our Ground Combat Units.
I fully support the removal of any KKK/Nazi, ANTIFA/BLM, Street Gang members and other individuals involved with any other disruptive groups from the military since there is no room for that activity. I just have a concern with the very “undefined” definition of an extremist since I see it being “weaponized” to target individuals and groups, which can change at the mere suggestion from the political party, in power.
In today’s military, if you’re a traditional American with traditional values AND you don’t buy into today’s WOKE-ism, you’re now an extremist that needs to be purged from the military. If you’re not removed, be monitored for your conservative views.
I enlisted in 1980 and retired in 2010 and I truly believe that the extremist views, within WOKE-ism, is destroying both the Combat Readiness and Combat Effectiveness, especially within our Ground Combat Units.
I fully support the removal of any KKK/Nazi, ANTIFA/BLM, Street Gang members and other individuals involved with any other disruptive groups from the military since there is no room for that activity. I just have a concern with the very “undefined” definition of an extremist since I see it being “weaponized” to target individuals and groups, which can change at the mere suggestion from the political party, in power.
Right now it is only the MAGA crowd that feels that they are being persecuted. I think it comes with a guilty conscience and a feeling that the dopes that stormed the capitol embarrassed them in that they got caught and didn't accomplish what they had set out to do.
In today’s military, if you’re a traditional American with traditional values AND you don’t buy into today’s WOKE-ism, you’re now an extremist that needs to be purged from the military. If you’re not removed, be monitored for your conservative views.
I enlisted in 1980 and retired in 2010 and I truly believe that the extremist views, within WOKE-ism, is destroying both the Combat Readiness and Combat Effectiveness, especially within our Ground Combat Units.
I fully support the removal of any KKK/Nazi, ANTIFA/BLM, Street Gang members and other individuals involved with any other disruptive groups from the military since there is no room for that activity. I just have a concern with the very “undefined” definition of an extremist since I see it being “weaponized” to target individuals and groups, which can change at the mere suggestion from the political party, in power.
This accurately summarizes the majority of the military.
When you have a topic that needs to be defined at the start of a training session, such as “woke”, CRT, or “equity”, it’s an agenda from the leadership.
Prior to the 2016 primaries, Sanders and Trump were neck-and-neck in military polls. Soldiers just wanted a significant change, either way.
The "Military Times" is a leftist rag. I wouldn't put much stock in one of their polls. The results are outlined in a M.T. articled dated March 16, 2016.
The results — based on responses from 931 active-duty troops, reservists and members of the National Guard — do not offer a scientific status of military voting preferences. However, they do show that the outsider candidates’ messages are resonating with non-commissioned officers, who fill leadership roles at the small unit level, and with the officers and enlisted personnel who are on track to spend full careers in the service. The survey was conducted March 9-14. About 64 percent of respondents identified as enlisted personnel, and 36 percent identified as officers. The Republican front runner Trump was the most popular candidate in a subscriber poll that closed Monday morning, with 27 percent saying they would back the business mogul if the election were held tomorrow. Sanders, the independent Vermont senator, was a close second at 22 percent, besting Trump among Navy and Air Force respondents.
I don't imagine many of the Sanders supporters were serving in combat units. I'm retired from the military but I still maintain close contacts with people serving on active duty and reserve combat units. Most people I know lean towards conservative or libertarian political values. Sure there are liberals in the military but they're certainly not as commonplace as in the general public.
A 2020 MT poll provided the following results:
In the latest results — based on 1,018 active-duty troops surveyed in late July and early August — nearly half of respondents (49.9 percent) had an unfavorable view of President Trump, compared to about 38 percent who had a favorable view. Questions in the poll had a margin of error of up to 2 percent.Among all survey participants, 42 percent said they “strongly” disapprove of Trump’s time in office. Among active-duty service members surveyed in the poll, 41 percent said they would vote for Biden, the Democratic nominee, if the election was held today. Only 37 percent said they plan to vote to re-elect Trump.
I suspect a lot of military personnel that favored Biden did so because the Democrats falsely marketed him as a "moderate" that would unite the nation. Instead, the progressive Biden administration has given Americans one fiasco after another and divided the nation even more. The disastrous evacuation from Afghanistan, the Southern Border debacle, it's choices for leftist Cabinet members and U.S. Attorney's and now the costly socialist Build Back Amerika mess. Like many Americans that voted for Biden I suspect many military personnel are having buyers remorse about voting for him.
Regarding the presence of right wing extremists in the military this has been a topic going back to the days when Janet Napolitano was the Secretary of Homeland Security. In 2009 DHS published Rightwing Extremism:Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment https://irp.fas.org/eprint/rightwing.pdfIt falsely purports that there are numerous right wing extremists serving at all ranks of the U.S. military. Napolitano ultimately apologized for the report and disestablished the group that published it. Right wing extremism certainly exists in the military but nowhere near to the level suggested by the current regime. It's just another boogeyman to put fear in the American public and make them lose confidence in our military. The current regime seems intent on weeding out anyone not in lockstep with their political agenda out of the U.S. military. The midterm elections cannot come soon enough!
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I didn't hear them talking much about it before then. Regardless, January 6th was certainly the point that led them to issue the extremism stand down, despite what I wrote above about the incredibly small number of military personnel (either former of current) being part of the lawlessness that day, and serves as the foundation for other things we are seeing on this front from the DoD. Still, I see that you're not going to answer what you mean by "a lot"
It's been a talking point in the Army for years. Not sure how it escapes other branches.
In today’s military, if you’re a traditional American with traditional values AND you don’t buy into today’s WOKE-ism, you’re now an extremist that needs to be purged from the military. If you’re not removed, be monitored for your conservative views.
Completely false. Demonstrably false. I know you are 10 years removed, but you are letting your political and social leanings color your viewpoint. The Air Force member who shot a federal agent to start a race war wasn't a left wing extremist. Nor were the military members who were a part of storming the capital.
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I enlisted in 1980 and retired in 2010 and I truly believe that the extremist views, within WOKE-ism, is destroying both the Combat Readiness and Combat Effectiveness, especially within our Ground Combat Units.
Your believe. Any actual proof? How so. Show me studies or any actual data on 1. deteriorating combat readiness 2. ties to "wokeism" on this decline to combat readiness.
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I fully support the removal of any KKK/Nazi, ANTIFA/BLM, Street Gang members and other individuals involved with any other disruptive groups from the military since there is no room for that activity. I just have a concern with the very “undefined” definition of an extremist since I see it being “weaponized” to target individuals and groups, which can change at the mere suggestion from the political party, in power.
So basically you just don't like it happening under this administration because you feel it could target folks who share your opinions, but if they are targeting left-wing ideology you see it being used properly. I on the other hand trust commanders at all levels to apply this appropriately, as they always have.
I have seen zero, absolutely zero, evidence of any right wing activity in the USAF. That is based on 30 years of continually working on a base 1990-2021 and about to be 2022, both as AD and CTR.
If any right wing activity exists at all, and I’m not convinced that it is, but if it is, I would suspect that it would exist at the lower ranks of the USA and USMC in very small pockets here and there.
So I agree with the OP. The Democrats, through the use of the DOJ, are trying to manufacture a boogeyman.
Not trying to turn this political, but they are the ones in charge right now, and they are the ones pushing this bizarre and false agenda, so they deserve to be called out for it.
Aspects of what CRT is all about is also being pushed all around me in ways that did not exist pre-2020. That’s an absolute fact whether people want to believe it or not. I refuse to participate in “take one step forward if you are a white male” BS.
Man, I’ve worked my ass off for 30 years, deployed over a dozen times, worked routine 72 hour weeks for decades. I’ve went whole months without a day off because the needs of the Air Force come first. I don’t want to hear any white privilege nonsense.
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