02-01-2011, 09:56 AM
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It's not about "deserving" hockey, it is just rather odd to have hockey played it the south, were aside from NHL teams, there is little hockey. It's like having Mardis Gras in Minnesota. The NFL is a poor example, football is played all over the country, and the first intercollegiate college football game was played betwen Rutgers and Princeton. For ages, the Ivy League was dominant. Football is a sport whose roots are solidly in the north.
02-01-2011, 10:10 AM
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I guess not all of the sunbelt teams are doing as bad as I originally thought for attendance.
Yeah - New York has THREE hockey teams in their Metro Area (the Devils play in Newark, just a couple miles outside of Manhattan) and the combination of the Islanders not being that great and playing on Long Island work against them. There is very little reason for someone who lives in the city to voluntarily go to Long Island, even if they have a different hockey team there.
It takes a lot for a Metro Area to support two teams from the same sport - you're really talking about cities the size L.A., Chicago, and New York, which Minneapolis just doesn't fall into. I suppose an inspiration might be the Bay Area hosting two baseball teams, or even Washington DC and Baltimore each having their own baseball and football teams. If the Twin Cities were going to have an extra team of any sport, hockey would make the most sense, I suppose. But...not that I follow the NHL....but if they are still dealing with popularity and financial problems, I doubt the league would want to invest in another team in the Twin Cities area, as it would be a big gamble at best, particularly with other sizable cities without any teams.
02-01-2011, 10:11 AM
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Football is played by kids all over the country, while youth hockey is either very limited or not played at all in some parts of the south. Minnesota has what, five Division I men's hockey teams in the state now? (UMN, UMD, SCSU, Mankato, Bemidji), and also exports a lot of players to other colleges.
Wiht regard to football: remember that UMD (University of MN Duluth) has won the Division II championship two of the past three years, and conferences like the Big Ten have a very long traditional on good football teams. It isn't like we don't have quality football programs in the northern US.
So Minnesota has five D1 hockey teams and ONE D1 football team (?). You live in Atlanta now--how many D1 football teams are in Georgia? Alabama? Tennessee? South Carolina? Florida? Texas? And you want to talk about exporting players? If you are going to maintain that the hockey teams should all be up North, your reasoning is not convincing me that the NFL teams should not all move to the South.
Yes, there is a much stronger youth hockey presence in the Twin Cities than where I currently live. But last year's Hobey Baker winner hails from my southern hometown. I have only been to NHL games in two arenas--Xcel and the Bridgestone Arena in Nashville. It's true that the Wild fill more seats on average than the Preds (and are admittedly a worse team), but anybody who has been to a sporting event knows that just because the Wild "sell out" does not mean that they fill all the seats. For a metro area that is more than twice the size of Nashville's and supposedly the hockey mecca of the US, I don't think the attendance is all that more impressive (according to the ESPN stats somebody linked, the Wild draw an average of 17,700 and the Preds draw 16,000).
02-01-2011, 11:14 AM
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So Minnesota has five D1 hockey teams and ONE D1 football team (?). You live in Atlanta now--how many D1 football teams are in Georgia? Alabama? Tennessee? South Carolina? Florida? Texas? And you want to talk about exporting players? If you are going to maintain that the hockey teams should all be up North, your reasoning is not convincing me that the NFL teams should not all move to the South.
It's about grass-roots dude. 100% of my friends can ice skate. We go up to local rinks and play pick up games a couple days a week. We're in our mid 20's. Did any of us play organized hockey? Heck no. I stopped when I was 12. But I still can skate, and play hockey puck handle, know the in's and out's of hockey.
Now you give me a group of mid 20s dudes in Atlanta, and show me their skating and puck handling abilities.
Minnesotans, for the most part, grew up on skates, or at least 'went skating' a few times as kids. It's just what we do in the Winter.
By not having winters, accessibility to ice ponds or outdoor rinks is impossible. So, kids don't grow up learning, obsessing or following hockey.
So by default, the people in the stands at the Xcel are
probably more passionate about hockey and more hockey intelligent...
02-01-2011, 11:16 AM
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They need to bring back the comet puck effect.
LOL!
I forgot about that!!!
But I did just read an article about sports on Television, and Hockey always falls at the bottom, behind golf, in terms of entertainment. But it's true, hockey is hard to watch on TV, with the White Backdrop, you never get an understanding of how fast the game is until you're there in person.
NFL is so fast, but the sideline cameras can give you the insight as to how fast they are
02-01-2011, 11:25 AM
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I think this quote (from the last link that you posted) has a lot to it:
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Thrashers fan Jere Smith sums up the challenge in Atlanta this way. His son plays on a youth hockey team coached by a man from Edmonton.
It's difficult to bring a new sport to a city and then have a lot of people hesitant to embrace the team because of previous fan loyalties, etc. I think that it is premature (at best) to discount NHL teams in the sun belt as failures. If you want to see the Thrashers have the same fan support as the Blackhawks (which may never happen to that degree, considering the history of the Blackhawks franchise), you have to give Atlanta a chance for a generation to grow up with the Thrashers as the hometown team. (I don't know the dynamics of the Thrashers fan base at all--just using them as an example.)
02-01-2011, 12:30 PM
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I think this quote (from the last link that you posted) has a lot to it:
I'm not against expanding the NHL. I'm not against it at all. I wish the NHL could keep up with the other 3 power house sports, NBA MLB and NFL..
However it lags behind and I think it's because of the Sun Belt movement. I just wish more people in the south enjoyed and followed hockey....
It's like having a professional Surfing team in Minnesota, it's just part of our culture like it is in Florida, California or Hawaii...
(Even though people do surf on Lake Superior) ...
02-01-2011, 01:44 PM
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When DS18 was on a campus tour at Bemidji there was a hockey player from Georgia there. About half way through the tour his mom asked "so, just how cold does it get here?"
I don't think he went there, or at least he didn't make the team if he did.
02-01-2011, 02:22 PM
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There is an awful lot of hockey being played in Minnesota. 5 D-I hockey teams*, 11 D-III teams, a great many high school and amatuer teams. The Wild have a lot of competition. A hockey team in the south may be the only hockey team around.
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People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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