Not everything that was needed, but this Health Care law will be good for rural America (Washington: buying, pharmacies)

[german71]

This is ridiculos who is going broke from health care that has a job and does not have a diesease that is terminal (they act like we are all dying and going broke from diseases plus use and factor in falsehoods like viagra or minute and temporary pains and the tremendous cost of illegals care being funded by the citizens and with 25% of the worlds prison population we have to pay not only to incarcerate these individuals but also pay the doctors salaries but for the prisoners medicine and hospitals..
furthermore you see adds on the tv that want the us citizens not only to pay for our health care but the starving childrens in africa or anywhere else as far as that is concerned.
Stop the billons of dollars to israel quit police forcing the world downsize government take care of lower and middle class people use true fair trade agreements where the tariffs are equal fix the roads in this country instead of afganistan and iraqs cut the amount of police and use the money for tax breaks and our schools.

[itsMeFred]

Originally Posted by MICHAEL J

Fred… I was pulling your chain just a little bit. Lighten up. LOL means laughing out loud remember?

I genunuinely don't understand where you're getting this idea that I'm not "lightened up".
However, this issue is very important to me. It directly affects myself and most of my friends and neighbors. I recently had a friend of mine (hale and healthy, btw, never smoked, drank or even stayed up late) die of cancer. His wife and family are now trying to figure out how to save the ranch they've had in the family for over a century before the medical bills take it.
Another friend of mine just took a nose dive off his horse yesterday actually and was flown to Kearney to rebuild his right arm. They're insured, but like us, in order to keep the premiums affordable, his deductible is going to take years to pay off.

Now that you mention it though, I’m not sure I wouldn’t just as soon have my neighbors help me with my appendectomy as the politicians in Washington.

Good thing our medical care is provided by doctors and politicians keeps themselves occupied with making laws. (Which is what the health care law was about, remember?)

However, if you do need an emergency appendectomy as you referenced, there is not an emergency room in the country that can legally turn you away.

True.
But if you're uninsured, there's a distinct possibility you'll never pay it off.
Again, that's what this law was about.

why don’t we each take responsibility for our own health care – choose our own doctor and hospital and take responsibility for paying same. Come to think of it, I know of no one who has actually been turned away from obtaining care, regardless of their ability to pay.

You're either very young, or very naive. People are indeed turned away on a regular basis because they're either uninsured, or under-insured.
That's what this law was about!

And I don't know about you, but I've been on self-pay health insurance for about 15 years. There have been years when I was inadequately covered because of a pre-existing. Mostly, though, I just watch my premiums rise exponentially as time goes by.

Additionally, there are countless programs to assist those who truly cannot afford it.

Again, I don't think you know what this law was for.
Medicaid is for people who can't afford health care. But your income has to be quite low. Ie, the middle class does not qualify. And it's those of us who ARE WORKING who are having trouble with health care costs!

As far as folks leaving the family farm due to the high cost of health care, perhaps you can tell me where they went that health care was less expensive.

To a job that provides health coverage. Again, I think you're either very young or very naive.
I've personally known dozens of people who had to leave the farm entirely, or get a second job in order to have health care.

Moreover, the folks are about 60 – 65 percent against this health care bill, including Nebraskans.

Given how little YOU seem to know about the new law, I'm going to guess that it's not uncommon that people are just listening to talking points, rather than educating themselves.

And although we begin paying for it right away, the benefits don’t kick in for about 4 years.

Again, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
Many components of the new law kick in immediately.

And if you ever lived on a ranch, it's pretty obvious you've been a long way from it for a lot of years.
You're awfully out of touch with what is affecting those of us who are currently in production ag...
And if you're old enough to be a grandparent, chances are pretty high YOU'RE on government health care that MY tax dollars are supporting. (Ie, Medicare...)

[itsMeFred]

However, all of this said, it's obvious you have no interest in educating yourself about what is in this new law or you would have been doing so already...

[german71]

You on the other hand refuse to look at government run programs such as the heath care that the government already runs the va hospitals which i have watched people die in these dumps.
Well i had a brother that died of cancer he was 15 and i was 14 and also a father die at 48 and we received help not from the government but private organazations and good hearted people in this country.
I am tired of all the people that quote a website or say i have a friend who went broke do to this.
Maybe they should file bankruptcy and keep their farm or search for other monitary assistance of which there no shortage of.

I have seen where some people claim that 18,000 people a year die from no health care?Then why does the government not intervene and support these people instead of fineing everyone who does not want the government in their lives that is called socialism or communism which is not what this country is about.

[MICHAEL J]

Originally Posted by itsMeFred

However, all of this said, it's obvious you have no interest in educating yourself about what is in this new law or you would have been doing so already...

Well Fred, once again you have taken this debate into the gutter with name-calling, innuendo and false assumptions. Over the course of this thread you have called others who disagree with you morons. You have expressed your desire that they sit down and shut up. You have called me too old, too young, too long off the farm as well as very naïve, out of touch, and having no interest in educating myself. This is pretty typical of those on your side because you feel you are of superior intelligence, and not only do you know what is best for yourself; you also seem to know what is best for me.

You accuse me of being on social security and Medicare, which you are paying for. And yet you want me to pay for your health care. In fact, you are not paying for my social security or Medicare. For the record I do not draw social security nor am I on Medicare. I pay for my health insurance premiums as well as my co-pays and deductibles. It is not cheap as my wife and I both have pre-existing, and on going health conditions including cancer. More than once in my life I have been completely broke. More than once I have had to make payment arrangements with a hospital or medical provider. Not once did I expect you or any other taxpayer to bail me out.

Allow me to set the record straight. I am neither too old nor too young, although those are relative terms. I am not a moron, nor am I naïve. I have been quite successful and am now enjoying the fruits of that success. I didn’t get to this point by being a moron or naïve. I am now able to give generously and take great pride in being able to help others who have not been so fortunate. I spread my wealth around quite well without the government doing it for me. My advice to you would be to stick to the issues, debate the merits and drop the name-calling and innuendo. And never ever make assumptions about someone you don’t know.

[german71]

Originally Posted by itsMeFred

However, all of this said, it's obvious you have no interest in educating yourself about what is in this new law or you would have been doing so already...

Yeah right beleive evrything the government tells you and it will be ok.Huh why did i not think of that.

Every claim you discussed is what obama tells you not the truth or even remotely close because poloticians tell you what they want you to hear.
remember obama elect me and i will get us out of iraq in something like 6 months a act not even god could pull off and you show me one succesfal takeover by the government in the last 40 years that was even remotely succesful.
Transparency is what you got when obama got voted in blind transparency filled with propaganda.
not that the last 20 or 30 were anybetter.
We went to iraq for weapons of mass desruction which were not found and we are still there although because obama said he would get us out of this mess they no longer show or say anything on the news about this but we are stiil there.
(out of sight out of mind?)

[german71]

Well said michael j but i am disappointed because i thought all that rant was directed at me.
You obviously are well educated and refuse to be brainwashed by government propaganda.
WELL DONE.

[german71]

People do not need health care until they get sick so why pay the government this money when 85% of the people are healthy and if they do get sick can pay for this except when they have a terminally ill dieseae which often only prolongs suffering or only serves to save the government money.
It would be like keeping insurance on a car with a bad transmisson or motor and saying that well why does not the government pay the insurance on a dead horse or if someone is terminally ill hey you can not die yet we are not done with you.
If i am SUFFERING and want to end it you want the government to make this decision for you proposterious now the government can determine who lives and who dies and their treatments?
Why not have the government tell us how to balance our checkbook when they can not balance their own and some of you will say thats the issue with this country going broke but that is nonsense what is breaking this country is made in china police forcing the world supporting the israles whom the world pays for there welfare and large failed government.
I find it ridiculous that anyone would beleive that this farce is even a topic of discussion because of course they are only going to tell people what they want to hear.
The last folks i want to watch over me is the oversized,propaganda spreading failingspreading of world democracy,on world conquest,murders of millions of people in the name of falsely claiming they are defending their homeland lies.

[itsMeFred]

Originally Posted by MICHAEL J

Well Fred, once again you have taken this debate into the gutter with name-calling, innuendo and false assumptions. Over the course of this thread you have called others who disagree with you morons. You have expressed your desire that they sit down and shut up. You have called me too old, too young, too long off the farm as well as very naïve, out of touch, and having no interest in educating myself.

Unfortunately, the latter does indeed seem true... And stating my opinion that you've obviously been off the ranch a lot of years (etc)? That's an insult or innuendo?
You clearly ARE very removed from issues affecting those of us in modern ag., so I'm not seeing your complaint, I guess.
However, I would point out those who disagree with me aren't morons-- Those who don't know what they're talking about, and yet rail and flail and complain about the new law are morons. Very big difference.

You accuse me of being on social security and Medicare,

actually, I didn't say anything about Social Security. And frankly, I don't have a problem with people being on Medicare, so it would hardly be an "accusation."

And yet you want me to pay for your health care.

Unless you make over $250K annually, you will not be paying anything for my health care. *I* will continue paying for my health care. Again, you obviously have no interest in educating yourself about what is and is not in the bill.
(And if you DO make more than $250K annually, that would probably explain why you're so out of touch with the problems so many Americans are having with access to health care!)
BTW, again, that is no insult. It's merely an observation...
However, here you are again, arguing mistaken notions and right-wing talking points without any actual FACTS. I've pointed out my frustration with your lack of accuracy. Yet again it's obvious you have no interest in finding out what is actually IN the law.
So, I guess I'll just have to be done.
When you inform yourself about what actually IS in the new law, I'd be happy to converse with you regarding the TRUE objections (there are plenty!). But I just have no interest in going through the effort to disprove BS propaganda.


German, please don't think I'm not reading you. I'm merely ignoring you. Your posts are so full of conspiracies, deliberate misinformation and rantings I simply don't know how to address them.

[MICHAEL J]

Originally Posted by itsMeFred

Good thing our medical care is provided by doctors and politicians keeps themselves occupied with making laws. (Which is what the health care law was about, remember?)

Exactly, and every law those politicians pass means a loss of freedom and wealth. Now specifically to health care, how many of those politicians know anything about health care? The vast majority are lawyers and career politicians. Now that I think of it, can you tell me just one thing any of these politicians are truly qualified to run? Just one? They certainly can’t run government efficiently.
It just amazes me that for all the trillions of dollars the government has confiscated from the citizenry over the past century; the trillions lost due to waste, fraud, corruption, irresponsible spending and giveaways; that the folks still ask… no, expect…. no, actually demand that they confiscate ever more wealth. Then these same folks will stand at the trough of the politicians in hopes of a pittance in return for the trillions they have confiscated. It is recently reported that the government is spending 58 percent more than the tax revenues into the treasury. This is debt that my grandchildren and your grandchildren will eventually be responsible for. If any small business owner ran their business in this manner that company wouldn’t last 6 months. I have absolutely no confidence in those politicians in Washington being responsible with our money. What have they done that inspires confidence for you?


Again, I don't think you know what this law was for.
Medicaid is for people who can't afford health care. But your income has to be quite low. Ie, the middle class does not qualify. And it's those of us who ARE WORKING who are having trouble with health care costs!

Most responsible folks make paying for health insurance a priority, before nice cars, multiple color televisions, cell phones, DVD players, computers, internet service and other expensive non-essentials.

To a job that provides health coverage. Again, I think you're either very young or very naive.
I've personally known dozens of people who had to leave the farm entirely, or get a second job in order to have health care.

My question was, where did they go where health care was less expensive. Answer, nowhere. They went to where others paid for their coverage. Moreover, finding a second job or changing careers is what most responsible folks due when necessary to actually pay their own way. Certainly, not exclusive to the ag industry.

Given how little YOU seem to know about the new law, I'm going to guess that it's not uncommon that people are just listening to talking points, rather than educating themselves.

Again, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
Many components of the new law kick in immediately.

I’m not familiar with the term “talking points”. Perhaps you can define that for me and tell me where it originated.

And if you ever lived on a ranch, it's pretty obvious you've been a long way from it for a lot of years.
You're awfully out of touch with what is affecting those of us who are currently in production ag...
And if you're old enough to be a grandparent, chances are pretty high YOU'RE on government health care that MY tax dollars are supporting. (Ie, Medicare...)

I must admit I'm not schooled on how to quote or cut & paste on here, so I hope this posts correctly. Here goes, hit "submit reply"