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I NEVER claimed Puerto Rico was a white nation and I certainly did not insist on it. It is a nation ( yes I know it is part of the US, perhaps even the 51st state someday) of mixed culture of European, African and Native American cultures. But one can not deny that there are Puerto Ricans who are white and without seeing their name or hearing them speak you could not tell if they were from Puerto Rico or Birmingham, England.
A white Puerto Rican would identify himself in any white enclave as Puerto Rican. Just as an Italian would be an Italian, an Irish person would be Irish etc However with this being said we should identify as a person
I have a degree in Spanish. I speak the language fluently, have read the literature, have friends who are from Puerto Rico, even dated Puerto Ricans and Cubans( should I say "some of my best friends are Puerto Rican" to fill a cliche) I have a good understanding of the culture of not only PR but much of Latin America and to a lesser extent Spain. So don't learn me about Puerto Rico
Look, nobody said there weren't Puerto Ricans of South European, namely Spanish heritage.. but take a look at the title of this discussion.. "Are Puerto Ricans considered "white" in New Jersey, socially?"
As a group, or nationality? answer is NO. the only people who are arguing that they should be are Puerto Ricans, and people who date them, like yourself.
Also, what "we should" do as you italicized in red implies liberal indoctrination. if people feel comfortable identifying by heritage, so be it.. it's their choice. i see the same thing happening in food, culture, everything.. would be like someone saying let's call everything we eat, simply "food".. don't even call it mexican food or chinese food, or italian food. just call it FOOD. "that dog over there, it's not a poodle, it's not a labrador, it's just DOG"
You're the second one on this discussion with a liberal agenda.. *busted*
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Why is it a liberal agenda to say that some Puerto Ricans are white?
Actually, I think it is more the case that liberals, Puerto Ricans and others, are more apt to insist that Puerto Ricans (whatever their ethnic background/race, etc) are "people of color" or whatever the PC phrase is these days
Look, nobody said there weren't Puerto Ricans of South European, namely Spanish heritage.. but take a look at the title of this discussion.. "Are Puerto Ricans considered "white" in New Jersey, socially?"
As a group, or nationality? answer is NO. the only people who are arguing that they should be are Puerto Ricans, and people who date them, like yourself.
Also, what "we should" do as you italicized in red implies liberal indoctrination. if people feel comfortable identifying by heritage, so be it.. it's their choice. i see the same thing happening in food, culture, everything.. would be like someone saying let's call everything we eat, simply "food".. don't even call it mexican food or chinese food, or italian food. just call it FOOD. "that dog over there, it's not a poodle, it's not a labrador, it's just DOG"
You're the second one on this discussion with a liberal agenda.. *busted*
No liberal agenda here... I am a libertarian politically FWIW. But if someone is white they are white whether their ancestors are from Italy, Spain, Germany, Norway or Russia, oh but then Russians thanks to Ghenkis Khan may have "vaguely Asian features" (credit to Sarah Silverman) so maybe Russians are not white.
I am not saying we should not acknowledge differences in people and cultures. Your thinking on ethnicty and race are right out of the 1920s. Your posts sound like they could be on a White Supremicist website. I came across a forum for a one of the groups, I dont want to promote it so i wont post a link, but they were saying the same things as you. I dont think you are a white supremicst but you have similar arguments.
You are the one promoting balkanization. In your mind the only real white people are people who are protestant and have ancestors hailing from the British Isles and perhaps NW Europe. You have said that WASP=white.. White Anglo Saxon Protestant is redundant according to your thinking becuase WASPs are the only whites. And Puerto Rico had immigrants from all over Europe, mainly from Spain*, but also France, UK, Italy, Ireland and Denmark. (I know Puerto Ricans with the last name O'Neill, and no dad was not an American or a missionary etc.)
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
Ayn Rand... libertarian
*during the 18th and 19th century the immigrants from Spain to their American colonies were heavily from Galicia and other parts of Northern Spain which at the time was the poorest region of Spain. And guess what? Galicia is one of the 7 Celtic nations, Like Ireland, Scotland, Wales. And as I have written previously the genetic markers of The British Isles( including Ireland) are closest to Spain and Portugal.
Most of the Spanish that went to PR were Canary Islanders
If they're white, they're white. Puerto Rican is a nationality not a race. A lot of them have very obvious admixtures but a good amount are also very clearly, white. Descended from Spanairds, or Frenchmen or Portuguese or any other European or Middle Eastern ethnicity that may have gone down to the island over hundreds of years ago.
I'm Cuban and white (and white enough that yesterday I had to argue with someone who insisted I was lying about being Cuban) and I never thought of being Hispanic and white as separate things, it never came to question until I was in high school. I always felt I had cultural similarities with dark skinned Mexicans for example, particularly in language, but never a racial thing. I look at it as simple as this: what do you look like, not what you speak or what your ancestors spoke.
Americans are really good at two things; confusing national origin with race (yet they wouldn't do it with Europeans. They would not lump a white and black French person together as a race but they would a Hispanic) and two, making race a huge deal, bigger than it should be.
Americans are really good at two things; confusing national origin with race (yet they wouldn't do it with Europeans. They would not lump a white and black French person together as a race but they would a Hispanic) and two, making race a huge deal, bigger than it should be.
that's because the US invented the race term, "white" as a category, which stems from the original reference of White Anglo Saxon Protestant. the term "white" has since evolved to encompass many more categories as the US morphed into a demographic of mixed people of various european heritage. no where else in the world do you find so many people with 5-6 different heritage within "white" identification. This term was created to define such. The US is filled with mutts. In fact, Europeans have coined a term for white Americans, as "Murricans".
Europeans have never used the category "white" since they have always based their identity on their individual heritage.. Same applies to the continent of Asia.. nobody refers to themselves as Asian. A spaniard would say he's Spanish.. an Englishman would say, English.. A German, a German.. therefore, European Puerto Ricans would cite their heritage as European Spanish descent, not WHITE. The white thing was created within a mixed heritage nation called the United States, because it's simply impossible to have every single permutation of mixes categorized for documentation.
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No liberal agenda here... I am a libertarian politically FWIW. But if someone is white they are white whether their ancestors are from Italy, Spain, Germany, Norway or Russia, oh but then Russians thanks to Ghenkis Khan may have "vaguely Asian features" (credit to Sarah Silverman) so maybe Russians are not white.
I am not saying we should not acknowledge differences in people and cultures. Your thinking on ethnicty and race are right out of the 1920s. Your posts sound like they could be on a White Supremicist website. I came across a forum for a one of the groups, I dont want to promote it so i wont post a link, but they were saying the same things as you. I dont think you are a white supremicst but you have similar arguments.
You are the one promoting balkanization. In your mind the only real white people are people who are protestant and have ancestors hailing from the British Isles and perhaps NW Europe. You have said that WASP=white.. White Anglo Saxon Protestant is redundant according to your thinking becuase WASPs are the only whites. And Puerto Rico had immigrants from all over Europe, mainly from Spain*, but also France, UK, Italy, Ireland and Denmark. (I know Puerto Ricans with the last name O'Neill, and no dad was not an American or a missionary etc.)
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
Ayn Rand... libertarian
*during the 18th and 19th century the immigrants from Spain to their American colonies were heavily from Galicia and other parts of Northern Spain which at the time was the poorest region of Spain. And guess what? Galicia is one of the 7 Celtic nations, Like Ireland, Scotland, Wales. And as I have written previously the genetic markers of The British Isles( including Ireland) are closest to Spain and Portugal.
Most of the Spanish that went to PR were Canary Islanders
Wow, you liberals are an insane lot. you accuse me of being a white supremacist and then you cite Russians not being white because they have mongol blood? If anything, I abhor the racial strains within our nation, and we need to figure a direction of peaceful solution. i'm not promoting stormfront ideology (funny how you *******s accuse everyone who disagrees with you, as being racist), i'm reflecting the times in terms of objective reality, and not what you see on tv, on shows that you cite like the walking dead or any other politically correct representation of reality, because without beginning to try to understand the core essence in it's deepest untarnished truth, nothing can change.. The truth must be a really scary thing for you, that's why they have this thing called PC, so people like yourself can live in a state of make belief.
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that's because the US invented the race term, "white" as a category, which stems from the original reference of White Anglo Saxon Protestant. the term "white" has since evolved to encompass many more categories as the US morphed into a demographic of mixed people of various european heritage. no where else in the world do you find so many people with 5-6 different heritage within "white" identification. This term was created to define such. The US is filled with mutts. In fact, Europeans have coined a term for white Americans, as "Murricans".
Europeans have never used the category "white" since they have always based their identity on their individual heritage.. Same applies to the continent of Asia.. nobody refers to themselves as Asian. A spaniard would say he's Spanish.. an Englishman would say, English.. A German, a German.. therefore, European Puerto Ricans would cite their heritage as European Spanish descent, not WHITE. The white thing was created within a mixed heritage nation called the United States, because it's simply impossible to have every single permutation of mixes categorized for documentation.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. "Whiteness" is not a US concept. Europeans have used it. Latin Americans have used it. "Murrican"? You do realise that's just a satirical word based off how patriotic rednecks talk, and is in no way a European slang term for a white American. "I am Murrican from Murrica."
The reason Europeans historically identify as "Englishmen, German, Frenchmen, Spaniard," as opposed to white, as because until recently, Europe was very racially homogenous, unlike the Americas which are mostly intremixed with every race possible. There weren't a whole lot of Asians or Africans in Europe back then and most people were white so they would identify by what set them apart from each other, which is ethnicity/culture not race.
Yes, it's off-topic, but the answer to whether the Episcopal Church is Catholic or Protestant is "yes".
I attended the 232nd Convention of the Episcopal Diocese in NJ yesterday. The service was held in English, Spanish, and Igbo, reflecting the diocese's diversity. There are many Spanish-speaking Episcopalians, some of whom came or had ancestors who came from Puerto Rico--see? Back to topic.
Look, nobody said there weren't Puerto Ricans of South European, namely Spanish heritage.. but take a look at the title of this discussion.. "Are Puerto Ricans considered "white" in New Jersey, socially?"
As a group, or nationality? answer is NO. the only people who are arguing that they should be are Puerto Ricans, and people who date them, like yourself.
Also, what "we should" do as you italicized in red implies liberal indoctrination. if people feel comfortable identifying by heritage, so be it.. it's their choice. i see the same thing happening in food, culture, everything.. would be like someone saying let's call everything we eat, simply "food".. don't even call it mexican food or chinese food, or italian food. just call it FOOD. "that dog over there, it's not a poodle, it's not a labrador, it's just DOG"
You're the second one on this discussion with a liberal agenda.. *busted*
This reminds me of a lot of men I used to work with. I used to work at a job where a lot of the higher ups married Asian women. Mostly the off the boat types with very poor English. Once the children came, especially boys, "My child is white". They weren't. No one passing them with their mom saw a white child. They looked Asian. I think this is new thing for Americans. We're used to taking your husband's status. Somethings aren't transferable.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. "Whiteness" is not a US concept. Europeans have used it. Latin Americans have used it. "Murrican"? You do realise that's just a satirical word based off how patriotic rednecks talk, and is in no way a European slang term for a white American. "I am Murrican from Murrica."
The reason Europeans historically identify as "Englishmen, German, Frenchmen, Spaniard," as opposed to white, as because until recently, Europe was very racially homogenous, unlike the Americas which are mostly intremixed with every race possible. There weren't a whole lot of Asians or Africans in Europe back then and most people were white so they would identify by what set them apart from each other, which is ethnicity/culture not race.
you're the 3rd one on this discussion who has a bolshevik quasi communist/socialist agenda.. You are TOTALLY wrong, you have either been brainwashed by the liberal agenda or part of them.
Europe was NEVER homogenous, it was centerstage of the bloodiest wars in history, those who defended their nationality, heritage and ancestry. young man, read up on the Roman Empire up to World War II, where so called "whites" killed other "whites" for not being "white" enough. homogenization was never successful and to this day, the "European Union" is an utter failure. No, the Germans don't care to be taxed for some "others" like the Greeks and Italians.
You are so brainwashed. next..
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