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Saw on the news last night that Belmar has raised enough money by selling "boards" to start work on construction of their new boardwalk, and that it will be ready by summer.
Unfortunately, my favorite spot, Long Branch, won't have their boardwalk replaced until 2014.
I'd gone to West End a few days after the storm and saw the damaged "Moss Mile" boardwalk then (and shingles and siding ripped from nearby buildings) but then last month, driving down Ocean Ave., I saw a lot piled high with debris. We wondered what it was, and then I saw it in the paper--it was the remains of the boardwalk, ripped up and piled in that lot to be taken away.
First off, with all due respect, what a load of hooey.
I have a good understanding of economics and it is based in and proven by history. When wealth is spread among the many the economy thrives. When wealth is concentrated among the few the economy fails, as proven during the Great Depression and the Great Bush Depression, both economic collapses that just happened to coincide with the greatest concentrations of wealth in the fewest hands.
Do you claim to have a good understanding of economics? Yet you lump FDR in with Hoover and Clinton with Bush? Hoover whose policies of austerity deepened the Great Depression and FDR whose policies began to lift America out of it until conservatives in his own administration once again called for austerity that dropped the nation back into depression? And Clinton whose policies led to the largest increase in jobs in history, a balanced federal budget and a surplus that had the nation on the way to actually paying off the national debt until Bush was appointed president by the USSC and immediately used his position to empty the Treasury surplus into his contributors' pockets through implementing tax cuts that are still to this day the largest component of the deficit?
Your arguments, if I can charitably characterize them as such, are all wet, and are based on emotion, not Reason. Not Logic. Not even rudimentary powers of obsevation and deduction. I am not going to educate you in the Sandy thread, and frankly I don't think it's possible in any thread. Plus, I don't have the patience or the time. You believe in collectivism, tyranny, and redistribution, and that's that. We'll agree to disagree.
my mother visited the LBI house in holgate friday. she said that she estimates her total cost to fix and replace what was lost to be around $5-10k. she mentioned that the houses on the ocean in holgate will pretty much all need to be demolished. also, the houses closest to the water across long beach blvd had heavy damage or total destruction. it seems like the houses by the bay side were generally ok (hers is by the bay). there was even a house near hers that had floated about 2000 feet, it seems they were very lucky it didnt run into someone's house.
im concerned about the businesses. i feel like every summer there are many businesses that always are teetering on closing. there just isnt enough time for them all to earn a living. i worry that this type of thing will cause many of them to take the insurance money and close shop.
one positive is that the beachfront in holgate and probably other places will end up with more attractive and more durable houses in the future. those houses on the beach are million dollar houses but they often are old and ugly looking.
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Saw on the news last night that Belmar has raised enough money by selling "boards" to start work on construction of their new boardwalk, and that it will be ready by summer.
Unfortunately, my favorite spot, Long Branch, won't have their boardwalk replaced until 2014.
I'd gone to West End a few days after the storm and saw the damaged "Moss Mile" boardwalk then (and shingles and siding ripped from nearby buildings) but then last month, driving down Ocean Ave., I saw a lot piled high with debris. We wondered what it was, and then I saw it in the paper--it was the remains of the boardwalk, ripped up and piled in that lot to be taken away.
Yay for Belmar. What a great way to get some of the costs paid for.
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my mother visited the LBI house in holgate friday. she said that she estimates her total cost to fix and replace what was lost to be around $5-10k. she mentioned that the houses on the ocean in holgate will pretty much all need to be demolished. also, the houses closest to the water across long beach blvd had heavy damage or total destruction. it seems like the houses by the bay side were generally ok (hers is by the bay). there was even a house near hers that had floated about 2000 feet, it seems they were very lucky it didnt run into someone's house.
im concerned about the businesses. i feel like every summer there are many businesses that always are teetering on closing. there just isnt enough time for them all to earn a living. i worry that this type of thing will cause many of them to take the insurance money and close shop.
one positive is that the beachfront in holgate and probably other places will end up with more attractive and more durable houses in the future. those houses on the beach are million dollar houses but they often are old and ugly looking.
A few years ago I saw a TV show or story on the net about storm-resistant houses and there was one built in jersey specifically to withstand a hurricane. It was cement and round and also had an opening in the first floor for flood waters to pass through. I've looked for the pictures about that house and haven't found it. The concept is that high winds and/or a wall of water hitting a round house just get funneled around it, thereby not doing damage by not creating resistance; it's the hitting a wall that causes the damage. It makes sense to me - after all, most round lighthouses are still standing with minimal damage hundreds of years after being built and those are clearly in the path of danger.
the house that was featured was actually built in Jersey along the shore - I'd love to see how well it fared during Sandy.
A few years ago I saw a TV show or story on the net about storm-resistant houses and there was one built in jersey specifically to withstand a hurricane. It was cement and round and also had an opening in the first floor for flood waters to pass through. I've looked for the pictures about that house and haven't found it. The concept is that high winds and/or a wall of water hitting a round house just get funneled around it, thereby not doing damage by not creating resistance; it's the hitting a wall that causes the damage. It makes sense to me - after all, most round lighthouses are still standing with minimal damage hundreds of years after being built and those are clearly in the path of danger.
the house that was featured was actually built in Jersey along the shore - I'd love to see how well it fared during Sandy.
Not the house you mentioned, but this one had impressive results:
Yay for Belmar. What a great way to get some of the costs paid for.
A few years ago I saw a TV show or story on the net about storm-resistant houses and there was one built in jersey specifically to withstand a hurricane. It was cement and round and also had an opening in the first floor for flood waters to pass through. I've looked for the pictures about that house and haven't found it. The concept is that high winds and/or a wall of water hitting a round house just get funneled around it, thereby not doing damage by not creating resistance; it's the hitting a wall that causes the damage. It makes sense to me - after all, most round lighthouses are still standing with minimal damage hundreds of years after being built and those are clearly in the path of danger.
the house that was featured was actually built in Jersey along the shore - I'd love to see how well it fared during Sandy.
ive heard about the round home thing. i vaguely recall a story of some guy with a house like that whose house was still up and all his neighbors homes were destroyed. could be some kind of urban legend but im sure it would work out if people built homes for the storms. my guess is the rebuilt homes after sandy will include many adjustments for the weather.
my wife grew up in puerto rico. they have more hurricanes so they are built for them. they make homes out of reinforced concrete. i believe they have to open windows during the storm depending on where its coming from, i guess that comes from experience. but they dont lose their homes, just their power. they may lose a home if the flooding is so high, and sometimes the flooding never goes back.
so there is some more water on the ground, boo hoo
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so is it time to start saying "we dodged a bullet" and me to start saying "i told you so" yet?
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oh yeah???? we now have radar that can see into the future???? its 19:45 UTC which is 3:45 Eastern according to google.
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so this is the level of hysteria for some flooding in places on the coast that flood regularly during rainstorms?
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im sorry dbclancy, its almost a total loss. remember in the movie independence day when the alien space ship opened up a giant laser beam and blasted in the center of manhattan destroying everything around it? yeah, its pretty much like that.
Sorry to bring something up from 3 months ago, but I was reading the comments about Hurricane Sandy, and your comments were disgusting. Not only are you 2 years old but I happen to live in Northern NJ and that was the worst storm to hit here since 1954. I doubt you even live in NJ and the only captain you are is captain bullcrap. You're too ignorant, I cannot believe no one here said anything earlier
I was on LBI 2 weekends ago and it looks much better than I expected. There are some piles of debris and tons of utility trucks (one hit me on the causeway), but it doesn't look like a war zone. Since a lot of businesses are normally closed this time of year, it's hard to tell what's just normally closed or destroyed. There are some restaurants open. I didn't get to Holgate which was hit the worst.
Seaside Heights on the other hand? Holy hell. What a disaster it is there. It's almost surreal, people kind of loitering around, looking at the wreckage. Piles of sh** EVERYWHERE. Seaside was never the most aesthetically pleasing place to begin with, but that place does look like war zone. They say the boardwalk will be done by Mem Day, I cannot imagine it will be but I hope so.
Hey, I see your point, but no need to offend toddlers everywhere.
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